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03-03-2015, 08:38 AM
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2015 vs 2016 NHL Draft

Matthews
Chychrun
Puljujarvi
Sokolov
Jones
Kirw in
Day
Tkachuk

I think the 2016 top 8 is going to be better than the 2015 draft

Except for McGod

What do you think

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03-03-2015, 08:52 AM
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Matthews
Chychrun
Puljujarvi
Sokolov
Jones
Kirw in
Day
Tkachuk

I think the 2016 top 8 is going to be better than the 2015 draft

Except for McGod

What do you think
I would still take Eichel and McDavid ahead of anyone on the list easily after that it's a matter of opinion.

1.McDavid
2.Eichel
3.Chychrun
4.Matthews
5.Puljujarvi
6.Hanifin
7.Marner
8.Jones
9.Sokolov
10.Strome

As of right now Kirwin is too much of a project to take perhaps even in the top 20 I feel he is second round right now, power forwards have higher bust likelihood and he hasn't even produced enough to warrant a high selection. Day is top 20, not top 10 in his own draft class and certainly not top 10 among the two draft classes. No toolbox players worry me.

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Tough to say at this point in time. I really do like the top3 for next year with Chychrun, Puljujarvi and Matthews. The next tier with Jones, Sokolov and Tkachuk is not bad at all either but it's hard to gauge if they are better than Marner and Strome. I would lean towards no. 2015 top10 or top12 is really stacked. I don't think 2016 will beat it.

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Personally I think 2015 is quite a bit better

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Auston Mathews is looking like a foundational C that every team covets. I haven't seen enough though. Just mostly reading about him. Isn't he a gym rat as well? Him and Chychrun seem like they could be right there with Eichel anyway.

When was the last time someone scored at a 2 PPG pace for the USNDT at Mathews age?

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Matthews is at 1.79 PPG. Eichel finished at 1.64 last year. If he keeps up that pace, it's pretty crazy.

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Im surprise that Carl Grundström isnt on more peoples top list on 2016 draft. I would hold him probably in my top 5 at least among swedish player even if he was eligable in this year draft. He has always been a big force when I have watch him, his playstyle will also probably fits in well in NHL and can play in all lines, 1th line to 4th line.

The only negative I can say about him is that he is a bit sloppy sometime with the puck.


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2015 a bit more top heavy from what I've seen.

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03-03-2015, 12:22 PM
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Matthews is at 1.79 PPG. Eichel finished at 1.64 last year. If he keeps up that pace, it's pretty crazy.
Linemates wise, who do you guys think was in better company Eichel or Matthews. Eichel had Milano and Tuch, who had some crazy chemistry and was next to unstoppable. Matthews has Bracco and Tkachuk. Which is a little bit similar as Bracco plays sort of a similar game to Milano, and Tkachuk I would hold with higher regard when compared to Tuch.

Milano Eichel Tuch or Tkachuk Matthews Bracco ?

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I prefer 2015.

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2015 is old hat by now. 2016 still has the shiny allure of a draft class yet to go under the microscope.

I'll take 2015.

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I dont know the 2016 draft class.

What I do know is that when I look at guys like Marner, Strome, Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, etc as guys available in the ~4-10 range, that I think theyre definitely better than what's available in most drafts for that range.

Then considering this top 3 is one of the best youll see in a 10-15 year span, it makes the top 10 very solid. I cant imagine 2016 being of comparable quality.

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2015 will have more depth.

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Nobody talking about Tyler Benson in this topic?

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Where would Nolan Patrick fit in out of the 2015, 2016 prospects? (even though he is 2017)

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Tough to say at this point in time. I really do like the top3 for next year with Chychrun, Puljujarvi and Matthews. The next tier with Jones, Sokolov and Tkachuk is not bad at all either but it's hard to gauge if they are better than Marner and Strome. I would lean towards no. 2015 top10 or top12 is really stacked. I don't think 2016 will beat it.
Next tier? Sokolov is the #1 guy in the next draft. He kicked Pulujarvi's and Matthews's butt at 5-Nations.

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Next tier? Sokolov is the #1 guy in the next draft. He kicked Pulujarvi's and Matthews's butt at 5-Nations.
Sample size..

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Sample size..
Okay, but on what basis (what sample size) is the opposite argument true?

It is not like Sokolov has only one tournament result with elite numbers. He has several by this point. He domianted the U17s in Sarnia, before putting up 5 goals in 4 games at 5-Nations, as an underager - a tournament in which both Matthews and Puljujarvi struggled.

Considering that Puljujarvi barely put up points there, is his reputation even justified?

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I stand corrected. Puljujarvi put up exactly zero points in 4 games at the U18 5-Nations.

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Worth acknowledging also that Auston Matthews is september-97-born.

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2015 should have more depth in later rounds, but 2016 looks great!

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Okay, but on what basis (what sample size) is the opposite argument true?

It is not like Sokolov has only one tournament result with elite numbers. He has several by this point. He domianted the U17s in Sarnia, before putting up 5 goals in 4 games at 5-Nations, as an underager - a tournament in which both Matthews and Puljujarvi struggled.

Considering that Puljujarvi barely put up points there, is his reputation even justified?
Puljujärvi also was the point leader in U20 tournament in Sweden last year as a tripple unerager while being chosen as the MVP (along with Ville Husso). Like JJTT said it's a matter of sample size. Look around and see how many scouts have Sokolov ahead of either Puljujärvi or Matthews.

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Puljujärvi also was the point leader in U20 tournament in Sweden last year as a tripple unerager while being chosen as the MVP (along with Ville Husso). Like JJTT said it's a matter of sample size. Look around and see how many scouts have Sokolov ahead of either Puljujärvi or Matthews.
I don't know. How many scouts do you have access to?

I have not seen any suggestion of a consensus anywhere, with the exception of HFBoards, where people are simply recycling conventional wisdom from last fall.

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I don't know. How many scouts do you have access to?

I have not seen any suggestion of a consensus anywhere, with the exception of HFBoards, where people are simply recycling conventional wisdom from last fall.
Occasionaly you can see hindsights towards future's drafts even here. Some scouts make initial lists for the the upcoming draft years and post them (yeah it's a rarity). There are several different agencies, so if you are interested maybe you can find something there.

HF'ers do combile their opinions here. Some showing bias, some not. Mostly you have to do your own digging to see what's actually within the reality and those out of the realms. By paying attension, it's not so hard to find the few people here that actually know something what they're talking about instead of trolling around.

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03-06-2015, 07:31 AM
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I've seen both Sokolov and Puljujärvi, Matthews multiple times and Chychrun couple of times. Sokolov is way behind these 3 in my books. Sokolov is bit overrated right now. People has compared him to Malkin but he is nothing like him. Matthews and Chychrun both are elite talents in this age group with Puljujärvi. Hard to say who is the best but time will tell. Alot can happen next year but Sokolov has to do alot to catch up the top 3 of this draft. Comparing points by some tournaments is stupid. Watching them play tells more.

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