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The Official 2012 Draft Thread: Part III | "Accumulating Losses For Ryan Murray!"

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Part I: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=969315
Part II: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...080917&page=27

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*Disclaimer: This thread is about draft eligible players for the 2012 NHL Entry Draft, not to discuss where we'll finish in the standings, our legitimacy as a play-off team or anything of that matter.*



I thought I would kick off our first official 2012 draft thread with my own Top 10.

The first three columns are the player's rankings with Redline Report, Future Considerations and International Scouting Service.



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Nail Yakupov - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  1 1 2 F Nail Yakupov 06-OCT-93 5.11 180 L Sarnia Sting RUS OHL 65 49 52 101 -2  


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Slippery
-Quick hands and creativity
-Great shot
-Plays bigger than his 5'11'' frame
-Very effective in the dirty areas

Comparable:
-A smaller Alexander Ovechkin


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Ryan Murray - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  3 2 3 D Ryan Murray 27-SEP-93 6.00 182 L Everett Silvertips CAN WHL 70 6 40 46 +18  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Positionally and defensively solid
-Leadership

Comparable:
-Scott Niedermayer


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Nick Ebert - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  2 4 6 D Nick Ebert 11-MAY-94 6.00 195 R Windsor Spitfires USA OHL 64 11 30 41 -2  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Very physical
-Great puck-moving ability
-Very good positionally and defensively solid

Comparable:
-Drew Doughty


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Mikhail Grigorenko - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  11 5 1 F Mikhail Grigorenko 16-MAY-94 6.02 192 L CSKA Moscow RUS MHL 43 17 18 35 +9  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Great playmaking skills
-Good shot
-Committed two-way center

Comparable:
-Evgeni Malkin


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Alex Galchenyuk - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  7 3 9 F Alex Galchenyuk 12-FEB-94 6.00 185 L Sarnia Sting OHL 68 31 52 83 -8


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Strong on the puck
-Great shot
-Very defensively responsible

Comparable:
-Marian Hossa


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Filip Forsberg - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  18 9 4 F Filip Forsberg 13-AUG-94 6.01 176 R Leksand SWE SuperElit 36 21 19 40 +30  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good playmaker
-Great shot
-Strong on his skates
-Explosive skater

Comparable:
Patrick Marleau


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Griffin Reinhart - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  4 8 7 D Griffin Reinhart 24-JAN-94 6.04 202 L Edmonton Oil Kings CAN WHL 45 6 19 25 +7


Strengths:
-Great size
-Smooth skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Gritty
-Big Shot

Comparable
Ed Jovanovski


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Morgan Rielly - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  10 7 12 D Morgan Rielly 09-MAR-94 6.00 190 L Moose Jaw Warriors CAN WHL 65 6 22 28 -15    


Strengths:
-Smooth skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Loads of patience/poise
-Great shot
-Good defender

Comparable:
Brian Rafalski


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Jacob Trouba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  6 6 5 D Jacob Trouba 26-FEB-94 6.01 183 R USA NTDP U17 USA 37 6 13 19 -  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Big shot
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact
-Loads of grit

Comparable:
Erik Johnson


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Matt Dumba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  12 10 14 D Mathew Dumba 25-JUL-94 5.11 172 R Red Deer Rebels CAN WHL 62 15 11 26 +24   


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Big shot
-Great puck-rushing ability
-Great open-ice hitter
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact

Comparable:
P.K. Subban





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For me it was a bit too much russia russia russia and russia better canada.
If he is there at #2 and Grigorenko is gone I would probably still take him. I am pretty sure the Oilers won't.
Because he has at least a high trade value. Or you could trade down.
But I think a guy like Murray would probably better fit in Edmonton.
If Grigorenko doesn't have khl fantasies and would like to play for the oilers he should be the guy to draft for us, though.
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yeah...if the ones who are already here are still here and havent lost their edge.
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Nope. I would be concerned if I heard that he was not a team player, had bad work ethic etc.

I could care less if he was cocky in an interview.

And if the Oilers could get a player that scored 50 goals again. I could care less if he sang kombiyah and did a russian jig after every goal.
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Though interestingly, in Grigorenko's scouting reports there are concerns he takes shifts and nights off. I guess he would fit write in with the Oilers.

I would take cocky over lazy any day of the week.
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When he takes shifts and nights oft he has pretty amazing numbers for his first year in the q.
Imagine what he could bring if you could work his laziness out. If it is really the case that he is lazy.
Yakupov has a personality that I don't really like. So I don't know if I want to see him in Oilers uniform. I think he hasn't the desire to play for the oilers, too.
It's probably much speculation, but that are my impressions, and they are somehow mostly right.
If he wants to play for the oilers, is a team guy, and positive, sure then why not.

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What would be a good place to find weaknesses for these guys?

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Grigerenko or Murray.

Big two-way centre or smart puck moving defenceman.

Sign me up.

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I'd be soooooo happy if we could add Murray to this group!

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Murray, Gilbert, Petry, Smid and a healthy Whitney (God willing) is a good looking defense imo...add to that a PP specialist like a MAB (just not him) and that looks pretty sexy. I might be wrong, but I like it

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Grigorenko if we finish second last, Murray if we're third.

I'm more interested in the 32nd/33rd pick at this point, and at the deadline, hopefully another pick around 20 or so.

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Buried for Murray?

No offense but that sucks.

How about "Operation Dumba Drop"?

As proposed by dnicks.

Sounds much, much better.

Also that top ten list needs some serious tweaking. Nick Ebert is a projected third rounder now.

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"Buried for Murray"? Eeeesh - that's about the most terrible of those pro-tank phrases I've seen yet. Wow that's bad.

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I think we should trade down our pick and get an established top 4 dman with another first. Draft someone like Ebert.

He looks and just eminates a player that could be a game changer and the kind of guy that can really anchor down a blueline offensively and defensively.

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When you guys make the threads you can have free reign over the creative license.

Keep yapping and I'll make it your signatures.



If dnicks17 wants to update his chart I'll amend the OP or make him the author of this thread.

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After putting Ebert at #3, even if it was in August, I don't think I deserve to make any more top10s.

That guy sure fooled me.

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I don't see how Yakupov is comparable at all to Ovechkin one has two eyebrows the other just one.

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I want Murray. If not, Yakupov.

Actually, I want the Oilers to not suck this year.

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Actually, I want the Oilers to not suck this year.
Well, then I suggest starting an NHL12 season and playing on rookie mode or something.

We're not going anywhere this year, and we still need some help in our top 6, so I prefer a forward from the draft and hopefully a Dman or 2 from trades/ufa. Trades for almost NHL ready kids.

In the last 10 years, only a handful of lottery Dmen have made the jump to the NHL, and of those, really only Doughty had an impact. Larsson is doing OK, and Hedman wasn't a disaster, but the historically, the odds have not been very good for a dman to make an immediate impact the year after he was drafted.

That's not to say I won't be happy to take Murray, Dumba or whomever if we were to pick 4th or 5th, but if we are picking top 2, I want either one of the Russians, or trade that pick to Team Russia (aka Washington Capitals) for a king's ransom. I'm sure they would salivate at the thought of Yakupov and Kuznetsov stepping in with Ovechkin next year.

I'm thinking something crazy like their 2 1st round picks, Mike Green, Marcus Johansson. I know it sounds like a lot, but 2 mid 1st picks and Johansson is not nearly enough for a 1st overall pick (that's pretty much the return we had gotten for a Smyth rental). Maybe adding Mike Green would be a bit much, but then balance it out. Then you have a #1 D, a 2C, and a couple of picks to bolster your D depth.

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I've never heard Grigorenko as a "2-way" center...I've always heard he can't find his own zone...maybe Patrick Roy is showing him the way

I really want Murray and I think he'd be great for this team, but since we'll be picking top-2, there's no way you pass on Yakupov/Grigorenko

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I would love to get both Murray and Reinhart somehow.

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You guys definitely need to draft a defenseman. Your offense is already good enough with all those previous draft picks, so now it's time to stock up on your defense, which is also your greatest weakness.

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Week by week I'm looking more and more forward to landing Murray. By the time he's willing to make a significant impact we will have a blueline which could put the rest of the league to shame.

Unless we're trading for a Weber whom wishes to play for Edmonton long term, we sure as hell had better hold onto that pick.

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You guys definitely need to draft a defenseman. Your offense is already good enough with all those previous draft picks, so now it's time to stock up on your defense, which is also your greatest weakness.
Good enough for what?
I think we need both, a #2 C and some good D's...And a Goalie. Also probably a Top 6 RW when Hemsky leaves.

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You guys definitely need to draft a defenseman. Your offense is already good enough with all those previous draft picks, so now it's time to stock up on your defense, which is also your greatest weakness.
This is a myth. All year we've had ONE scoring line. That's it. That has been this team's biggest problem other than porous D - secondary scoring.

It's unlikely that any Dman we draft will step in and make an impact next year. Sure it's possible, but unlikely (just going on past years). Another top forward give us 4 potentially elite forwards: Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Yakupov/Grigorenko. Split those up 2 and 2, then add a good complimentary player like Gagner and Paajarvi (if he can remember how to play) or even Smyth, then you have 2 great top lines that would give opponents a migraine trying to match.

Use Hemsky and some of our "b" prospects and try to land an NHL ready dman. Gormley or Rundblad from the Yotes, Ellis or Blum from the Preds. And then go hard after a top 4 UFA this summer, and all of a sudden the D is not so bad.

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You guys definitely need to draft a defenseman. Your offense is already good enough with all those previous draft picks, so now it's time to stock up on your defense, which is also your greatest weakness.
you pick BPA at #2 all day everyday....never draft for need that high

I always say this but ask the Portland Trailblazers if they regret not taking Michael Jordan at #2

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Mid Season WHL top 20 or so

1. Ryan Murray D 6'1 195 Everett - I really only seen him a few times this year from earlier in the season and of course with the world juniors. I think alot of people are down on him because of that last game but I thought he was one of Canada's better defenders in that tourney. He is NHL ready and I think he will be the first D man selected in the draft.

NHL Comparison - Ryan Suter


2. Matt Dumba D 6'0 185 Red Deer
- He is a hard player not to love when you watch him. Does everything for his team. Plays a ton of minutes and plays those minutes hard. Cannon for a shot. Can carry the puck. Makes great passes. Throws big hits. He has changed his game over the year and he is thinking it much better and playing I think more conservatively and it has made a big improvement for him. I don't worry about his size when it comes to the NHL, no one worries about Doughty do they?

NHL Comparison - Drew Doughty

3. Griffin Reinhart D 6'4 200 Edmonton - He is big and nasty and knows how to play defense. Just starting to learn how to use that big body effectively if he didn't get injured I wonder if he makes team Canada this year and I wonder if his stock would be higher. Does alot of things well and if he shakes off those injuries the skies the limt.

NHL Comparison - Brayden Coburn

4. Morgan Reilly D 6'0 180 Moose Jaw - Just a fantastic skater and move of the puck. Can really control the flow of the game for such a young player already. Excellent powerplay quaterback. Might be the premier offensive D man in the draft. Underrated in his own end. Again another guy if he wasn't injured would have been considered for Canada's world junior team.

NHL Comparison - Brian Boyle

5. Derick Pouliot D 6'0 180 Portland - Depending on how you like your D men to play you may not care for Pouliot. Now he is a fantastic offensive D man. Moves the puck well and can skate it out of trouble. Excellent powerplay quaterback. But he is somewhat of a poor defender and not the most physical guy but he likes to run his mouth. He probably drops in the draft to a mid to late first rounder.

NHL Comparison - Brian Campbell

6. Colton Sissons RW 6'2 190 Kelowna -
Big hard working winger. Loves to go up and down the boards and forecheck hard. Goes to the net hard. Not afraid to get his nose dirty. Scored 25 goals already this year. Will hit anything that moves. Does he have top end skill? probably not. Rounds out more like a 2nd line winger who does the dirty work for your team. I like him alot. My type of player.

NHL Comparison - Chris Kunitz

7. Damon Severson D 6'2 200 Kelowna - Safe and Steady. Big solid d man knows his end of the ice very well. A good puck mover who commands the defensive zone very nicely. Plays a hard game on opposing forwards. Some offensive ability but that probably keeps him out of the first round. I think some team is going to nab him in the 2nd and get rewarded with a very good NHL player.

NHL comparison - Dan Hamhuis

8. Mike Winther C 5'11 Prince Albert - A little dynamo. Always going. Has high end offensive skills in a nasty little package. Really has started to come along as the season goes. Was used as a checking forward at the u17s last year and did a great job. Good face off guy. Good set of hands. If he was 6'2 he would be a better version of McNeil.

NHL Comparison - Derek Roy

9. Dalton Thrower D 6'0 200 Saskatoon - I like Dalton, he plays a similar game to Duncan Siemans. He can do a bit of everything and is having a good season. He just isn't as big as Duncan and that is why he is hovering around late 1st/2nd/3rd round territory. He is a nasty SOB to play against and he can make plays with the puck. I think Oiler fans would like he alot, I know I do.

NHL Comparison - Barret Jackman

10. Tyrel Seaman C 6'3 210 Brandon
- Big two way center. Probably an ideal 3rd line center for someone in the future. Is a good skater and has that "farm boy" strong to him. Was having a good solid offensive season then suffered a concussion. Hard nosed, not afraid to drop the gloves. Used all over the lineup with top skilled guys to checkers. Might lack high end potential but he will fill a need on alot of teams.

NHL Comparison - Brooks Laich

11. Tim Bozon LW 6'1 180 Kamloops - Swiss import. Typical swiss player. Works his ass off. Has that high end euro talent to him. Really fits in well with the WHL style of play. Underrated. Tim has kind of been under the radar probably because he doesn't really excel at any one thing but does everything well. Not afraid to get dirty and he will initiate contact. Just a tremendous defensive player as well. Could have top 6 potential. Darkhorse

NHL Comparison - Alex Steen

12. Coda Gordan LW 6'1 190 Swift Current
- Kind of came out of nowhere and was really hot early. Cooled down a bit. Superb passer and nice soft set of hands. Has some high end offensive skills. Really works hard on the backcheck and tries to be defensively responsible. Lacks a physical game. Needs to get involved more along the boards and in front of the net. Good powerplay guy.

NHL Comparison - Chris Higgins

13. Nick Walters D 6'2 200 Everett - Kind of the forgotten man in Everett with Murray there. A big tough 2 way defender. Plays a ton of minutes. Is really hard on the puck in his end. Makes good outlet passes and has a good understanding of how to play defense. Has an underrated offensive game. Can really shoot the puck. Will fight as well with anyone.

NHL Comparison - Kevin Bieska

14. Brett Kulak D 6'1 175 Vancouver
- Brett is having a real solid year. He is a real good skater and plays extremely hard in his own end. He is a good mover of the puck and not afraid to play the body. He is an incredible +20 leading his team. He may not have the high end ability to be a top 2 guy in the future but I could see him having a long and solid NHL career.

NHL Comparison - Dan Giradi

15. Travis Brown D 6'2 180 Moose Jaw
- Very smooth and competent defender. Plays limited time in Moose Jaw but he looks very good when does play. Excellent skater and good size. Another guy who moves the puck confidently and plays with a lot of poise. I think once he gets more prime time minutes he will explode. Darkhorse

NHL Comparison - Paul Martin

16. Brandon Troock RW 6'3 210 Seattle - Big power forward. He has quite a bit of offensive potential I think at least more then he has shown. Injuries have slowed him down a bit. When he is on his game he can be dominating with the puck especially down low. He does have soft hands for a big man and that will help him score at least at junior level. I think he goes in the 3rd/4th at this point but will put up big numbers if he stays healthy.

NHL Comparison - David Jones

17. Lukas Sutter C 6'2 205 Saskatoon - Nasty SOB center. Probably the best way to describe him. Has shown more of an offensive game this season while still retaining his willingness to drop the gloves with anyone. Plays the game the right way, both ends of the ice and finishes every check. Never quits. Lacks true top end potential offensively. I think he probably goes higher then he should because of those intangibles.

NHL Comparison - Brandon Dubinsky

18. Cody Corbett D 6'1 210 Edmonton - Solid 2 way D man. Plays a good safe game and has some offensive instinct. Can move the puck effectively and play the point on the power play. Big wide body and isn't afraid to get physical. I think his game suits the WHL better then College and he made a good choice to come here. I think he will rise as the season goes along. Darkhorse

NHL Comparison - Kyle Quincy

19. Ashton Saunter D 6'1 190 Edmonton - Probably on any other team he would play alot more but Edmonton has alot of depth. Again a very solid 2 way guy who does everything well. Haven't seen him excel at anything just yet but he is one of those guys that has tools that NHL teams like to take a chance on.

NHL Comparison - Kevin Klein

20. Logan Nelson C 6'1 180 Victoria
- Offensive specialist learning to play some WHL style D. Good pp guy has soft hands and thinks the offensive game well. PPG in the WHL as a rookie is not to shabby at all. Decent skater. He can disappear in games and is pretty soft player. Should see bigger minutes since Victoria traded number 1 center Sundhar away.

NHL Comparison - Matt Cullen


Midgets and Tough guys


Steve Hodges C 5'10 170 Victoria - Offensive wizard. Small and soft. Good wheels and great vision

Alessio Bertaggia LW 5'8 170 Brandon - Speed merchant. Wizard with the puck. Disappears for games at a time

Taylor Leier LW 5'11 175 Portland -
Lots of speed and skill. Works the puck down low well. Just can't finish

Mitch Moroz LW 6'2 210 Edmonton - As tough as they come. loves to fight. Actually scored a few goals. Scouts love him

Jesse Mychan LW 6'2 205 Tri-City - Fought alot his first year here. Got traded to a contender and started to score. I bet someone nabs him.

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If we pick at 2 I'd like to see Grigorenko, at 3 Murray, and 4 Dumba. Part of me wishes we'd go on a tear and end up picking Reinhart in the 6 or 7 position. I still think he has the most upside of any d-man in this draft.

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After putting Ebert at #3, even if it was in August, I don't think I deserve to make any more top10s.

That guy sure fooled me.
What happened to him? IIRC, both you and OilBleeder were high on him.

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