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10-22-2004, 03:34 PM
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Redo Round 1, 2002.

- No overage players.
- Boston, Atlanta and Carolina must take goaltenders. Other teams eligible to select goaltenders are Dallas, Minnesota, Edmonton, Washington, and Phoenix as they picked goalie in round 2.

1. Columbus -
2. Atlanta -
3. Florida -
4. Philadelphia -
5. Pittsburgh -
6. Nashville -
7. Anaheim -
8. Minnesota -
9. Florida -
10. Calgary -
11. Buffalo -
12. Washington -
13. Washington -
14. Mtl. Canadiens -
15. Edmonton -
16. Ottawa -
17. Washington -
18. Los Angeles -
19. Phoenix -
20. Buffalo -
21. Chicago -
22. NY Islanders -
23. Phoenix -
24. Toronto -
25. Carolina -
26. Dallas -
27. San Jose -
28. Colorado -
29. Boston -
30. Atlanta -

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2002e.html


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Originally Posted by Leafaholix
- No overage players.
- Boston, Atlanta and Carolina must take goaltenders.

1. Columbus -
2. Atlanta -
3. Florida -
4. Philadelphia -
5. Pittsburgh -
6. Nashville -
7. Anaheim -
8. Minnesota -
9. Florida -
10. Calgary -
11. Buffalo -
12. Washington -
13. Washington -
14. Mtl. Canadiens -
15. Edmonton -
16. Ottawa -
17. Washington -
18. Los Angeles -
19. Phoenix -
20. Buffalo -
21. Chicago -
22. NY Islanders -
23. Phoenix -
24. Toronto -
25. Carolina -
26. Dallas -
27. San Jose -
28. Colorado -
29. Boston -
30. Atlanta -

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2002e.html
for anyone who will redo the draft please be aware that Mike Morris the Sharks 1st round pick is tearing it up in the NCAA in this his junior year.
I believe he was second in the Nation in goals and points.

Overall I would say this darft had very good top line talent but it really droped off after the first few picks

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I would imagine that a certain 29th pick has had his stock rise more than some of the players picked ahead of him...


EDIT--- only three teams can have goalies. I must have missed that part.

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- Boston, Atlanta and Carolina must take goaltenders.

1. Columbus - Jay Boowmeester
2. Atlanta - Kari Lehtonen
3. Florida - Rick Nash
4. Philadelphia - Joni Pitkanen (can't argue the top 4 anyway)
5. Pittsburgh - Joffrey Lupul
6. Nashville - Alexander Semin
7. Anaheim - MAtt Stajan
8. Minnesota - Anton Babchuk
9. Florida - Ryan Whitney
10. Calgary - Alexander Steen
11. Buffalo - Jeff Deslauriers
12. Washington - Scottie Upshall
13. Washington - Pierre-MArc Bouchard
14. Mtl. Canadiens - Chris Higgins
15. Edmonton - Jim Slater
16. Ottawa - Alexei Shkotov
17. Washington - Boyd Gordon
18. Los Angeles - Jakub Klepis
19. Phoenix - Jiri Hudler
20. Buffalo - Josh Harding
21. Chicago - MAxime Talbot
22. NY Islanders - Jakub Klepis
23. Phoenix - Cam Ward
24. Toronto - Denis Grebeshkov
25. Carolina - Hannu Toivonen
26. Dallas - Trevor Daley
27. San Jose - Rob Globke
28. Colorado - Tim Brent
29. Boston - David LEneveu
30. Atlanta - Kirill Koltsov

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Why did Phoenix take Ward? I thought only three teams could select a goalie....

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1. Columbus - F Rick Nash (same)
2. Atlanta - G Kari Lehtonen (same)
3. Florida - D Jay Bouwmeester (same)
4. Philadelphia - D Joni Pitkanen (same)
5. Pittsburgh - D Denis Grebeshkov (Instead of D Whitney)
6. Nashville - F Joffrey Lupul (Instead of F Upshall)
7. Anaheim - F Alexander Semin (Instead of F Lupul)
8. Minnesota - G Hannu Toivonen (Instead of F Bouchard, they select F in round 2)
9. Florida - F Pierre-Marc Bouchard (Instead of F Petr Taticek)
10. Calgary - F Alexander Steen (Instead of F Nystrom)
11. Buffalo - D Steve Eminger (Instead of D Ballard)
12. Washington - D Keith Ballard (Instead of D Eminger)
13. Washington - F Christopher Higgins (Instead of F Semin)
14. Mtl. Canadiens - F Matthew Stajan (Instead of F Higgins)
15. Edmonton - G Jeff Deslaurier (Instead of F Niinimaki, they select F in round 2)
16. Ottawa - F Scott Upshall (Instead of F Klepis)
17. Washington - F Petr Taticek (Instead of F Gordon)
18. Los Angeles - D Anton Babchuk (Instead of D Grebeshkov)
19. Phoenix - G David LeNeveu (Instead of F Koreis, they select F in round 2)
20. Buffalo - F Daniel Paille (same)
21. Chicago - D Ryan Whitney (Instead of D Babchuk)
22. NY Islanders - F Jim Slater (Instead of F Bergenheim)
23. Phoenix - F Rob Globke (Instead of F Eager)
24. Toronto - F Tim Brent (Instead of F Steen)
25. Carolina - G Cam Ward (same)
26. Dallas - D Trevor Daley (Instead of D Vagner)
27. San Jose - F Jakub Klepis (Instead of F Morris)
28. Colorado - D Kirill Koltsov (Instead of F Jonas Johansson)
29. Boston - G Josh Harding (Instead of G Hannu Toivonen)
30. Atlanta - F Jiri Hudler (Instead of F Jim Slater)


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Why did Phoenix take Ward? I thought only three teams could select a goalie....
No, the three teams that thought it was important enough to take goalie have to take goaltenders. The other teams that took goalies in round 2 would also be eligible to select a goaltender. I'll change the rule.

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- Boston, Atlanta and Carolina must take goaltenders.

1. Columbus - Jay Boowmeester
2. Atlanta - Kari Lehtonen
3. Florida - Rick Nash
4. Philadelphia - Joni Pitkanen (can't argue the top 4 anyway)
5. Pittsburgh - Joffrey Lupul
6. Nashville - Alexander Semin
7. Anaheim - MAtt Stajan
8. Minnesota - Anton Babchuk
9. Florida - Ryan Whitney
10. Calgary - Alexander Steen
11. Buffalo - Jeff Deslauriers
12. Washington - Scottie Upshall
13. Washington - Pierre-MArc Bouchard
14. Mtl. Canadiens - Chris Higgins
15. Edmonton - Jim Slater
16. Ottawa - Alexei Shkotov
17. Washington - Boyd Gordon
18. Los Angeles - Jakub Klepis
19. Phoenix - Jiri Hudler
20. Buffalo - Josh Harding
21. Chicago - MAxime Talbot
22. NY Islanders - Jakub Klepis
23. Phoenix - Cam Ward
24. Toronto - Denis Grebeshkov
25. Carolina - Hannu Toivonen
26. Dallas - Trevor Daley
27. San Jose - Rob Globke
28. Colorado - Tim Brent
29. Boston - David LEneveu
30. Atlanta - Kirill Koltsov

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2002e.html
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Hmmmmm.... Interesting indeed...

You would take a unproven Kari Lehtonen, over a 19 year old who led the league in goals, and a defenseman who has yet to come near Rick Nash.

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Originally Posted by Leachmeister2000
- Boston, Atlanta and Carolina must take goaltenders.

1. Columbus - Jay Boowmeester
2. Atlanta - Kari Lehtonen
3. Florida - Rick Nash
4. Philadelphia - Joni Pitkanen (can't argue the top 4 anyway)
5. Pittsburgh - Joffrey Lupul
6. Nashville - Alexander Semin
7. Anaheim - MAtt Stajan
8. Minnesota - Anton Babchuk
9. Florida - Ryan Whitney
Pens still take Whitney at #5. He has developed as expected. There is no one there I could forsee them taking instead.

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Whitney over Semin or Lupul? Gimme a break....

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- Boston, Atlanta and Carolina must take goaltenders.

1. Columbus - Rick Nash
2. Atlanta - Kari Lehtonen
3. Florida - Jay Boowsmeester
4. Philadelphia - Joni Pitkanen
5. Pittsburgh - Joffrey Lupul
6. Nashville - Alexander Steen
7. Anaheim - Matt Stajan
8. Minnesota - Denis Grebeshkov
9. Florida - Ryan Whitney
10. Calgary - Jeff Deslauriers
11. - Anton Babchuk
12. - Pierre-Marc Bouchard
13. - Alexander Semin
14. - Hannu Toivonen
15. - Scottie Upshall
16. - Cam Ward
17. -Jim Slater
18. - Chris Higgins
19. - Jarett Stoll
20. - Keith Ballard
21. - David Lenevue
22. - Kirill Koltsov
23. - Jiri Hudler
24. - Boyd Gorden
25. - Steve Eminger
26. - Josh Harding
27. - Martin Vagner....JK Peter Kanko
28. - Dan Paile
29. - Alexei Shotkov
30. - Has to be a goalie? Maxime Daignault/ Non goalie = Sean Bergenheim
31. - Rob Globke



Excluded: Mike Morris cause anyone who knows me, knows i've been hyping this guy since his freshman year.... He would likely be quite high on my list, even though he might not be quite as deserving yet as some.


Got sick of listing teams sorry lol.


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washington didnt have picks #12 13 14 & 18!!! So in your draft did they redraft Semin? Also w/ the Caps being so high on Gordon & Eminger why would they pass on them?

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1. Columbus - Rick Nash
2. Atlanta - Kari Lehtonen
3. Florida - Jay Bouwmeister
4. Philadelphia - Joni Pitkanen
5. Pittsburgh - Alexander Semin
6. Nashville - Joffrey Lupul
7. Anaheim - Ryan Whitney
8. Minnesota - Daniel Paille
9. Florida - Matt Stajan
10. Calgary - Scottie Upshall
11. Buffalo - Denis Grebeshkov
12. Washington - Pierre- Marc Bouchard
13. Washington - Steve Eminger
14. Mtl. Canadiens - Keith Ballard
15. Edmonton - Chris Higgins
16. Ottawa - Boyd Gordan
17. Washington - Anton Babchuk
18. Los Angeles - Alexander Steen
19. Phoenix - Hannu Toivonen
20. Buffalo - Kirill Koltsov
21. Chicago - Trevor Daley
22. NY Islanders - Jiri Hudler
23. Phoenix - Jim Slater
24. Toronto - Josh Harding
25. Carolina - Cam Ward
26. Dallas - Tim Brent
27. San Jose - Matthew Lombardi
28. Colorado - Matt Foy
29. Boston - David LeVeneau
30. Atlanta - Tim Brent

I did this also based on needs, I don't know what you wanted really...

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Whitney over Semin or Lupul? Gimme a break....
OK......What would you like me to break?

You obviously have not followed him. The other 2 are good, but Whitney has come along well......He more than showed why he was drafted so high in his stint in the AHL last year. He would be on the Pens (probably 2nd pairing) this year if not for the lockout.

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P-M Bouchard seems to be way to high on most list IMO. cant see him higher than 18th.

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Why? PM Bouchard is coming along fine. The problem is he was a bit undersize and had a problem fitting into the NHL but is starting to adjust well. Plus his talent and the talent around him couldn't keep up and he isn't much of a goal scorer. The biggest problem is, is the fact the Wild couldn't send him to the AHL where he would be developed better.

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OK......What would you like me to break?

You obviously have not followed him. The other 2 are good, but Whitney has come along well......He more than showed why he was drafted so high in his stint in the AHL last year. He would be on the Pens (probably 2nd pairing) this year if not for the lockout.
Lupul will be a future 30 goal scorer, first line winger, etc...

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1. Columbus - Rick Nash
2. Atlanta - Kari Lethonen
3. Florida - Jay Bouwmeester
4. Philadelphia - Joni Pitkanen
5. Pittsburgh - Alexander Semin
6. Nashville - Alexander Steen
7. Anaheim - Ryan Whitney
8. Minnesota - Scott Upshall
9. Florida - Anton Babchuk
10. Calgary - Denis Grebeshkov
11. Buffalo - Keith Ballard
12. Washington - Hannu Toivonen
13. Washington - Joffrey Lupul
14. Mtl. Canadiens - Chris Higgins
15. Edmonton - Pierre-Marc Bouchard
16. Ottawa - Steve Eminger
17. Washington - Matt Stajan
18. Los Angeles - Josh Hardings
19. Phoenix - Boyd Gordon
20. Buffalo - Kirill Koltsov
21. Chicago - Jiri Hudler
22. NY Islanders - Trevor Daley
23. Phoenix - Dan Paille
24. Toronto - Jeff Deslauriers
25. Carolina - Cam Ward
26. Dallas - Alexei Shkotov
27. San Jose - Petr Taticek
28. Colorado - David Leneveu
29. Boston - Matt Foy
30. Atlanta - Maxime Talbot

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An extremely underrated prospect that promises to be a heart and soul captain at any level of hockey his abilities take him. Mike Morris is almost 22 years old and he's just beginning to produce at a high level at a respectable level. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 picks in the 2002 draft.

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Lupul will be a future 30 goal scorer, first line winger, etc...
And Whitney could just as well be a first pariing type of defenseman that runs your PP.
Whitney had a college career in which he was the team's best offensive weapon and he actually lead his team in points last year. However, the team as a whole sucked.
At the end of the year, he played in the stretch drive in Wilkes-Barre and on a team tacked with good prospects, he became pretty much the MVP. The team didn't play well enough to win a game when he wasn't there, and when he was there, the team could run on all cylinders (they made it to the finals). He had wonderful playoffs, in which his well-known offensive ability was shown, but also his defensive awareness was discovered.
There is no reason to believe he won't develop into a top pairing type of defenseman.
But as any prospect, he could turn out to be a career minor leaguer.
But that possibility became much weaker to most Pens fans when they saw how Whitney handled his first pro games.

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Lupul will be a future 30 goal scorer, first line winger, etc...
fine, then whitney will be a first pairing dman, powerplay quarterback, captain, assistant captain, fifty point dman etc.. etc..

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An extremely underrated prospect that promises to be a heart and soul captain at any level of hockey his abilities take him. Mike Morris is almost 22 years old and he's just beginning to produce at a high level at a respectable level. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 picks in the 2002 draft.

Two things....You have to question of Talbots game well work in the NHL.

2nd: You never seen Mike Morris play. You just looked at his stats I bet, look at Northeasterns stats while your at it...there one of the NCAA's worst teams the past two years.

It also bugs me when people put down Oilers prospect Marc-antoine Pouliot for the same reason...they just see his stats on not his contributions and his skill.


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An extremely underrated prospect that promises to be a heart and soul captain at any level of hockey his abilities take him. Mike Morris is almost 22 years old and he's just beginning to produce at a high level at a respectable level. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 picks in the 2002 draft.

You not putting Morris in the top 100 of this draft or any other is crazy

the guy has second line potential and at the very worst should be a solid 3rd liner.

I know draft position is not all that important but you are saying you would take Talbolt in the first round (a player who was drafted originally in the 9th) who doesnt even have prototypical 1st or maybe even second round talent. Ahead of Mike Morris who was a first rounder with no weekness in his game. Good hands, good skater, and good shot.



I understand Talbolt has a good work ethic but who is to say Morris doesnt.

Believe me, If san jose offerd Morris for Talbolt strait up. The pens would make that trade and run all the way back to Sidney Crosby's living room

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An extremely underrated prospect that promises to be a heart and soul captain at any level of hockey his abilities take him. Mike Morris is almost 22 years old and he's just beginning to produce at a high level at a respectable level. I wouldn't even put him in the top 100 picks in the 2002 draft.
Painfully obvious you haven't been following him. Although he has not done anything to justify himself to go higher in this draft, he has justified his draft position. Should be a top flight third line winger.

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