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02-07-2012, 10:43 AM
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He's really been on another level since he sat for a couple games, can't imagine what it's like for him going from a College schedule to playing this many games (plus playoffs hopefully, hope we don't wear him out too much).

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02-07-2012, 10:44 AM
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He's really been on another level since he sat for a couple games, can't imagine what it's like for him going from a College schedule to playing this many games (plus playoffs hopefully, hope we don't wear him out too much).
the demotion to the marlies also helped if i recall correctly.

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02-07-2012, 10:53 AM
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the demotion to the marlies also helped if i recall correctly.
Sitting him out as a healthy scratch would be better for him to rest. Marlies would demand every ounce of energy he has left.

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02-07-2012, 11:00 AM
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would Lupul have been thrown in the deal if the Ducks agreed to trade Schultz instead of Gardiner?

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02-07-2012, 11:11 AM
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would Lupul have been thrown in the deal if the Ducks agreed to trade Schultz instead of Gardiner?
Lupul was a dump, no question about it. It was essential for the Ducks to move him

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02-07-2012, 11:12 AM
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Button on TH2N: "You're looking at a future top 2 defenseman"

I like how expectations weren't very high on him and he doesn't really seem to be under very much pressure because of the experience on our back end. I'm very excited to see this continue to grow and become a great NHLer

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02-07-2012, 12:13 PM
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Button on TH2N: "You're looking at a future top 2 defenseman"

I like how expectations weren't very high on him and he doesn't really seem to be under very much pressure because of the experience on our back end. I'm very excited to see this continue to grow and become a great NHLer
I believe he said top 10 in the league and top 2 pairing or something along those lines, either way.

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02-07-2012, 12:25 PM
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Button really had a hate-on going for the Leafs after they let him go...I see he's back to his butt-kissing ways.

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02-07-2012, 12:44 PM
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He's been awesome all year, and especially awesome recently. Amazing skater, great puck mover, good offensive instincts/abilities, and I think he shows a lot of promise in his own end as well, he could become very good defensively. Sure he makes plenty of rookie mistakes at the moment, but he's a very good 1 on 1 defender, tough to beat, and he has a nose for the puck. He's been a great surprise, he's my favourite Leaf under the age of 24, even over Schenn, Kadri and Reimer. I think he's going to be a total stud by his mid 20s, a good 2-way, top pairing dman.

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02-07-2012, 12:45 PM
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HF's general oppinion on Toronto makes me laugh.

Apparently the leafs got absolutely HOSED in the kessel deal for giving up two pottentially good/great players + a B prsopect for 1 great player in kessel.

However its a debatable win win for both teams when we trade a good player and get 2 pottentially good/great players in return.

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02-07-2012, 12:52 PM
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To be fair, Seguin doesn't have the "potential" to become a great player because he already is.

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02-07-2012, 12:55 PM
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To be fair, Seguin doesn't have the "potential" to become a great player because he already is.
Very true, I see Seguin as a consistent 80 point center with a great two way game.

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02-07-2012, 01:02 PM
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To be fair, Seguin doesn't have the "potential" to become a great player because he already is.
more or less refering to the time when the trade was made not how it is now.

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02-07-2012, 01:03 PM
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let Seguin get 60pts first.

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02-07-2012, 01:09 PM
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HF's general oppinion on Toronto makes me laugh.

Apparently the leafs got absolutely HOSED in the kessel deal for giving up two pottentially good/great players + a B prsopect for 1 great player in kessel.

However its a debatable win win for both teams when we trade a good player and get 2 pottentially good/great players in return.
Burke traded 2 firsts and 2nd for kessel. That payment is fair payment for a player like kessel. Not a steal of trade with a big discount but let's face it Burke is paying full price.

Now Burke wasn't expecting to pay a 1 lotto pick + first + 2nd for Kessel. Teams do go about trading away lotto picks it is a bad move. That is, teams don't trade your first rounders unless you certain you are not a lottery team. Trading away your first round pick and depending on an inexperience goalie (Toskala). Maybe it is a bit 20/20 but bad risk/reward gamble there.

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I'm happy with the Kessel trade, i noticed from the great pass from Lombo last night, I haven't noticed that many easy goals in his Leaf tenure and he creates a lot of offense for himself and his teammates. At this point Kessel means more to the Leafs than Seguin would have been IMO, but that is also partly due to Boston being a great team.

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02-07-2012, 01:15 PM
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Darryl Sittler once finished 3rd in the NHL scoring race as a Leaf. Gilmour once finished 4th as a leaf. Sundin once finished 4th as a Leaf.

Kessel is in 3rd.

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02-07-2012, 01:23 PM
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Very true, I see Seguin as a consistent 80 point center with a great two way game.
He got 22pts in his rookie season (74 games).
He has 44 pts this season (50 games), which projects to 72pts over 82 games.

Where do you see 80pts per season, consistently?

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02-07-2012, 01:25 PM
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Gardiner is a complete stud. Really hope he doesn't get dealt.

Trade Shenn, Gardiner is our future at D.

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He got 22pts in his rookie season (74 games).
He has 44 pts this season (50 games), which projects to 72pts over 82 games.

Where do you see 80pts per season, consistently?
He is 19....

I'd say 72 points for a full season when you're 19 is amazing! You think he bottoms out as a 19 year old?

If he somehow doesn't manage to amass 80 points per season, I would be incredibly surprised.

When I said consistently I didn't mean every season in the NHL, I meant he'll consistently put around 80pts per season for most of his career.

i.e. One season he may put up 72 pts the next season he may put up 88 points... etc, etc. Albeit it's only if he's on a good team. He's no game-breaker like Phil but he's an incredibly smart player who manages to put up points.

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02-07-2012, 01:35 PM
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Very true, I see Seguin as a consistent 80 point center with a great two way game.
He got 22pts in his rookie season (74 games).
He has 44 pts this season (50 games), which projects to 72pts over 82 games.

Where do you see 80pts per season, consistently?
He's 19 years old, already at close to 1 PPG this season, and clearly incredibly talented. The guy is predicting Seguin's future, calling him a future 80 point player is hardly a nuts prediction, if anything it's being very cautious. For example, Jake Gardiner is 2 years older than Seguin, has a grand total of 17 NHL points, and we're all very high on his future.

Side note, why do Leafs fans always have to bring up the Kessel/Seguin/Hamilton trade? This thread is about Jake Gardiner, can we not have every thread turn into "I don't think the Kessel trade was that bad"?

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02-07-2012, 01:38 PM
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He is 19....

I'd say 72 points for a full season when you're 19 is amazing! You think he bottoms out as a 19 year old?

If he somehow doesn't manage to amass 80 points per season, I would be incredibly surprised.

When I said consistently I didn't mean every season in the NHL, I meant he'll consistently put around 80pts per season for most of his career.

i.e. One season he may put up 72 pts the next season he may put up 88 points... etc, etc. Albeit it's only if he's on a good team. He's no game-breaker like Phil but he's an incredibly smart player who manages to put up points.
I agree whole heartedly with what's bolded. My quote from your previous post has you saying he's already there. He's a consistent 80pt two way center. Everyone else has said he has the potential, and he certainly does. You wrote something completely different and inaccurate.

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Love how it goes from a Jake Gardiner thread to Tyler Seguin again.. This place..

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Love how it goes from a Jake Gardiner thread to Tyler Seguin again.. This place..
I was just getting ready to post a rant on this topic.

Thanks for saving me the aggravation.

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Should be a solid 2nd pairing guy, like soup was in Chi

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