Who do we have who replace the other shotgun sized blasts Murray put into this lineup when he was tearing it down and who replaces the 4-5 important players well into their 30's who will retire or hit UFA soon?
Nobody?... Ok, let's trade Foligno away and create yet another hole.
Ya you're right... lets trade a guy who is 23-24 yrs old who is close to a 20 goal/40 point scorer who can play thru the lineup and play many roles and not hurt the team...
That is all we need, an injury prone player with a long ass contract taking up space.
Note that I am not advocating a trade for Carter... Not a fan of his st all. I was responding to another poster by describing a scenario whereby M Stone might be moved.
On my "hope he is traded" list I really just have Kuba and Konopka
Some people don't understand basic asset management concepts. Trading butler now while his value is low is a terrible idea. It would have been like trading Kuba last year. You need to trade these guys when their value is high, but as soon as they start performing all the mouthbreating trolls on this forum say we need to keep them! that said here are teh guys that I think should go
Kuba - High value this year. Gonchar - rebounded from a terrible campaign last year, should get a return. MM9 - the guy is just not reliable, and those injuries! But I would only move him for decent return. Konopka - Perfect guy for a playoff team. Condra/Daugavins - These guys are ok penalty killers but they are not very physical and we have replacements.
Yeah, these guys would fetch the best return, but I think the question was asking who's most likely to get moved. I think Butler's more likely to get traded in a deadline deal than Kuba, Gonch, or Michalek (unless we decide to host a yard-sale like last season) because we need those three for the playoffs while Butler is somewhat expendable and his value may still be high (well, high for him).
Greening can't replace Foligno, because they're both in our top-6.
... and so is Turris who is unproven.
... and so is Alfredsson who is about to retire.
Greening can't replace Foligno, because they're both in our top-6.
... and so is Turris who is unproven.
... and so is Alfredsson who is about to retire.
If your selling you don't need to replace him this year. We have Silfverberg and Zibanjad coming in next year whom the organization has stated are good bets to make the NHL roster. There are also guys who will surprise out of camp; there always is.
I like Foligno, I would rather him stay then leave but not at any cost. You are saying he is irreplaceable but that's a bit of a stretch. I would rather Keep him and trade neil though.
What do you think Foligno's contract will be next year? Will it break 3 mil?
Greening can't replace Foligno, because they're both in our top-6.
... and so is Turris who is unproven.
... and so is Alfredsson who is about to retire.
You could do that to every teams top 6 and make it sound like ****.
For example, Tampa.
Malone- always injured and is getting to that age.
StLouis- about to retire
Lecalvier- overpaid bum
Or New York
Dubinsky- 6 goals only
Richard- playing the 3rd and 4th lines
Animisov- unproven
See, its not that hard to look at things from a negative douchy way.
If your selling you don't need to replace him this year. We have Silfverberg and Zibanjad coming in next year whom the organization has stated are good bets to make the NHL roster. There are also guys who will surprise out of camp; there always is.
I like Foligno, I would rather him stay then leave but not at any cost. You are saying he is irreplaceable but that's a bit of a stretch. I would rather Keep him and trade neil though.
What do you think Foligno's contract will be next year? Will it break 3 mil?
If we're selling? What you mean is if we plan on losing intentionally.
Serious question, but when you propose a plan to trade a 24 year old... do you really think that helps build a new team? Because it looks more to me like you're trying to create a perpetual rebuild.
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You could do that to every teams top 6 and make it sound like ****.
For example, Tampa.
Malone- always injured and is getting to that age.
StLouis- about to retire
Lecalvier- overpaid bum
Or New York
Dubinsky- 6 goals only
Richard- playing the 3rd and 4th lines
Animisov- unproven
See, its not that hard to look at things from a negative douchy way.
No, you couldn't. Want to see why?
We have 3 forwards who've ever had a 50 point season:
Spezza 28yo, Michalek 27yo, Alfie 39yo... and two more who have ever had a 30 point season; Foligno 24, Neil 32
Tampa has 5:
Stamkos 22yo, St.Louis 36, Lecavalier 31, Malone 32, Purcell 26
NYR have 3:
Gaborik 29, Richards 31, Dubinsky 25…. And multiple young players who hit the mid-40’s last year; Stepan 21, Callahan 26, Anisimov 23
We have fewer, they're less proven and less likely to hit those markers in the future (Alfie, Neil).
If we're selling? What you mean is if we plan on losing intentionally.
Serious question, but when you propose a plan to trade a 24 year old... do you really think that helps build a new team? Because it looks more to me like you're trying to create a perpetual rebuild.
Ill try to dumb this down for you a bit more so you can understand. Foligno is a guy who is due for a big raise. He is also a replaceable 3rd line guy. If Murray can package him with someone else for a real quality player then I say go for it. You seem to think he is totally irreplaceable and we should keep everyone under 25 regardless of any other factor. and Afro Thunder is right, your assessment of the team's top 6 was quite negative and douchy and can be done with any team. If you have a mancrush on Foligno just say it, don't try to insinuate falsities.
Ill try to dumb this down for you a bit more so you can understand. Foligno is a guy who is due for a big raise. He is also a replaceable 3rd line guy. If Murray can package him with someone else for a real quality player then I say go for it. You seem to think he is totally irreplaceable and we should keep everyone under 25 regardless of any other factor. and Afro Thunder is right, your assessment of the team's top 6 was quite negative and douchy and can be done with any team. If you have a mancrush on Foligno just say it, don't try to insinuate falsities.
So a team is going to get Foligno + to improve their team by trading a quality NHLer or a quality prospect?
If it's a quality NHLer: it doesn't make any sense
If it's a quality prospect: Trent is saying, it's only a prospect, still unproven.
Would you do a 1 for 1 trade between Foligno for MPS today? I would not because I think the Sens would get screwed.
I am sure your wouldn't have hesitated 1 sec if Edmonton would have offer MPS on his draft day. MPS had so much potential.
This is what Trent is talking about, potential does not necessarily equal NHLer
Ill try to dumb this down for you a bit more so you can understand. Foligno is a guy who is due for a big raise.
His salary could double and he'd still be providing good value.
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He is also a replaceable 3rd line guy.
He's 103rd in scoring amongst forwards, if he isn't a 2nd liner right now... there's no such thing.
Irreplaceable? ... No. But I want to build, not play around with pretend fantasies about team trading their stars to us for Foligno.
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If Murray can package him with someone else for a real quality player then I say go for it. You seem to think he is totally irreplaceable and we should keep everyone under 25 regardless of any other factor.
102 forwards
- 40-ish will be into their 30's. No thank you.
- Approximately 20, we'll decline.
- 20-ish will be players so good that Foligno himself wouldn't affect the deal much either way. These are also extremely low possibility deals.
- we're down to 20-25 players who could fit the rebuild, could be dealt for Foligno and represent an improvement... the question now is how much of an improvement? Because a small improvement isn't worth dealing a player who you identify as a part of your leadership corps and who is likely to show more loyalty to the only team he has ever known.
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and Afro Thunder is right, your assessment of the team's top 6 was quite negative and douchy and can be done with any team. If you have a mancrush on Foligno just say it, don't try to insinuate falsities.
We have 2 forwards under the age of 39 who have ever posted a season above 35 points. I don't understand how people think we in any way have this depth of remotely proven forwards to deal from.
We had that --> last season... right before Murray dealt Fisher, Kovalev, Kelly, Ruutu and let Shannon go without replacing any of them.
