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02-13-2012, 09:53 PM
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FYI Ruutu is injured I believe.

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http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/shark...00&feedID=5878

Knuble (himself) shoots down rumors he might be traded to SJ

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Knuble (himself) shoots down rumors he might be traded to SJ
Because we were totally salivating at the thought of acquiring Mike Knuble, Mr. Kurz. lol

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02-14-2012, 03:59 AM
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Would Troy Brouwer be suited to the Sharks? He plays tough but doesn't take alot of penalties, and can also score. Plus, he has a cup ring! I know he's not the greatest skater =/ But would add a good dimension to the team if you could acquire a quickish/solid faceoff checking 3rd line center.

He's signed for another season after this at 2.3m, and the Caps are free falling, and if a small losing streak comes, maybe they'd be sellers?


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Would Troy Brouwer be suited to the Sharks? He plays tough but doesn't take alot of penalties, and can also score. Plus, he has a cup ring! I know he's not the greatest skater =/ But would add a good dimension to the team if you could acquire a quickish/solid faceoff checking 3rd line center.

He's signed for another season after this at 2.3m, and the Caps are free falling, and if a small losing streak comes, maybe they'd be sellers?
Caps fans like him, but yes I wouldn't mind having him. I'm not sure what his speed is like - if he's average or slower, then pass. He does play a physical game and would be that tweener we are looking for. He plays physical, and can score 40+ pts a year.

Anyways, it's worth a look. Didn't they pay a 1st for him? It'd be hard for the Capitals to walk away from him for anything less than a 1st IMO. Maybe we could get away with a 2nd + prospect?

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Minns 2nd will ALMOST be the same as our first, so would only have to add a mid level prospect?

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I know im the first person to bring this up...

If they can afford it, should/would the Sharks go after Nash?

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I know im the first person to bring this up...

If they can afford it, should/would the Sharks go after Nash?
They can't afford it. It would mean trading Marleau (NTC) Thornton (NTC) or Boyle in the off-season in order to afford him next year. Marleau or JT would be lateral moves at BEST, Boyle shifts more salary from defense to offense which is a problem we just fixed.

edit: let alone that we don't have the assets needed to acquire him.

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02-14-2012, 10:23 AM
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I know im the first person to bring this up...

If they can afford it, should/would the Sharks go after Nash?
Would like to have him but its a massive cap hit and feel it will be massive overpayment from our side.

Wont say impossible but highly improbable.

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02-14-2012, 10:58 AM
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I know im the first person to bring this up...

If they can afford it, should/would the Sharks go after Nash?
For that cap hit? Hell no. Thornton at 7, Marleau at 6.9 or Boyle at 6.66 are way better than Nash at 7.8 mil.

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02-14-2012, 11:10 AM
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I had to laugh at this trade proposal from the main board.

To CBJ
Picks (at least a 1st and 2nd rounder), Thomas Greiss, Ryan Clowe and Jamie McGinn.

To SJ
Rick Nash
Maybe the Jackets toss in Paulsson.

UH no.

Only players that I'd give up for Nash would be Handzus (NMC), Havlat (NTC), Mitchell, D. Murray, White (NTC), Nitty, Sheppard


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I had to laugh at this trade proposal from the main board.

To CBJ
Picks (at least a 1st and 2nd rounder), Thomas Greiss, Ryan Clowe and Jamie McGinn.

To SJ
Rick Nash
Maybe the Jackets toss in Paulsson.

UH no.
Yah. I wouldnt mind doing something like:

Havlat
Demers
Worcester Goalie

But that cap hit is so brutally crippling I dont really want to.

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02-14-2012, 11:31 AM
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yep. best to avoid nash all together.

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02-14-2012, 11:32 AM
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Pollacks latest post talks about Nash, and he also comes to the defense of Ratto regarding the pavelski rumor. which apparently he doesnt think pavs will be traded etc etc...

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02-14-2012, 11:45 AM
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For that cap hit? Hell no. Thornton at 7, Marleau at 6.9 or Boyle at 6.66 are way better than Nash at 7.8 mil.
Unless, of course, Columbus agreed to eat a portion of his salary to move him, which they are very likely to have to do if they trade Nash or Carter.

The bigger issue is that we don't have what Columbus needs, so I couldn't see us competing for Nash even if we wanted him. They will get better offers from other teams.

Aside from a true top 4 D-man, which just ain't happening, the perfect fit for us at this point would be Teemu Selanne. He would add another real scoring forward and cost us almost nothing. But I can't see that happening either unless Anaheim starts ******** the bed real quick and Teemu changes his mind and voices a desire to move.

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[QUOTE=Stickmata;44114393]Unless, of course, Columbus agreed to eat a portion of his salary to move him, which they are very likely to have to do if they trade Nash or Carter.[QUOTE]

Having quoting issues - but that's not even an option because it's not legal under the current CBA.

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02-14-2012, 11:50 AM
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The idea of Nash on the Sharks is awesome. The assets required and cap implications aren't.

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My issue with the Ratto thing - beyond it being stupid and unrealistic - was keep his name out of stuff like that. He in a way, created the speculation/rumor by writing that dumb article. Pavs is too good of a teammate, player to do that too. He shouldn't have wrote it.

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02-14-2012, 12:04 PM
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The idea of Nash on the Sharks is awesome. The assets required and cap implications aren't.
I only would want Nash if Havlat went the other way and we didn't part with the D depth or other forwards. In other words, Havlat and picks/prospects. So unless Nash pulls a Heatley, it won't happen.

Selanne, Whitney or Doan are the preferred in no order.

Teams need to start doing some slumping.

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Unless, of course, Columbus agreed to eat a portion of his salary to move him, which they are very likely to have to do if they trade Nash or Carter.

The bigger issue is that we don't have what Columbus needs, so I couldn't see us competing for Nash even if we wanted him. They will get better offers from other teams.

Aside from a true top 4 D-man, which just ain't happening, the perfect fit for us at this point would be Teemu Selanne. He would add another real scoring forward and cost us almost nothing. But I can't see that happening either unless Anaheim starts ******** the bed real quick and Teemu changes his mind and voices a desire to move.
Illegal.

Sharks have to eat the cap hit in total. I would deffinetly want Nash over Carter, but here is a look at the numbers for next season:

Assuming no current roster player return (just for math's sake):

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Jamie McGinn ($1.250m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Brad Winchester ($0.725m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / James Sheppard ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m)
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Justin Braun ($1.250m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Thomas Greiss ($0.587m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,854,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): -$3,554,167

So, you can make it work if you move at the very least Murray or Handzus, but even that is assuming at least a few million jump in next seasons cap hit.

The problem is CBJ is going to want a return forward. You could send Havlat back if he'll waive his NTC and they'd take him, but beyond that they'd likely want Pavelski/Couture, neither of which I'm willing to give up.

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Havlat shouldn't be traded. Guy hasn't had a real chance to get comfortable yet.

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Havlat shouldn't be traded. Guy hasn't had a real chance to get comfortable yet.
I agree, plus it puts us right back where we started.

There are two reasons there is some sense to it though (if somehow a reasonable deal could be made, doubtful).

1) It's a Doug Wilson kind of move. "When that kind of player becomes available you have to go for it"

2) If it can be jammed under the cap it may expand the Sharks window quite a bit longer. Boyle will likely retire in 2014 when his contract ends, and JT and Marleau will at best re-sign for cheaper deals. If they don't, the Sharks will still have Nash, Pavelski, Couture, Havlat and possibly Clowe to fill out a top-6. Leaving a re-signed to a cheaper deal Marleau/Thornton as the 2nd line center (possibly).

So is it a good idea? Probably not. Would Doug Wilson do it if he can make a deal? Very likely.

Really though? What do you offer that helps CBJ besides cap space?

Demers, Wingels/Ferriero, Sateri, 1st? Unless Nash will only accept a trade to SJ, I just don't see a deal being workable.

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yea, dont really get all the havlat trade talk. the guy produced when he was playing.

he was on a 0.5 ppg rate on a brand new roster/system. we play very differently from minnesota.

see: Brent Burns

Dec 17 '11 EDM @ SJS 1 0 1 0 4 0 0 1 100.0 18 11:19
Dec 15 '11 COL @ SJS 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 24 17:50
Dec 13 '11 SJS @ COL 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0.0 22 16:05
Dec 11 '11 SJS @ CHI 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 2 0.0 25 19:23
Dec 10 '11 SJS @ STL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.0 26 18:23
Dec 08 '11 DAL @ SJS 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 3 0.0 24 16:51
Dec 06 '11 MIN @ SJS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0.0 23 20:11
Dec 03 '11 FLA @ SJS 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 4 0.0 23 15:25
Dec 01 '11 MTL @ SJS 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 5 0.0 27 22:12

the month leading up to his injury he was at 0.66, so just shy of a point per game average.

The same span from Pavs

Dec 17 '11 EDM @ SJS 0 2 2 1 0 0 0 5 0.0 28 20:23 64.3
Dec 15 '11 COL @ SJS 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 25.0 28 19:16 72.7
Dec 13 '11 SJS @ COL 0 1 1 2 0 0 0 4 0.0 27 22:10 35.7
Dec 11 '11 SJS @ CHI 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 3 0.0 27 19:45 53.3
Dec 10 '11 SJS @ STL 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0.0 30 20:47 64.7
Dec 08 '11 DAL @ SJS 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0.0 23 19:17 72.7
Dec 06 '11 MIN @ SJS 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 5 20.0 27 20:42 53.3
Dec 03 '11 FLA @ SJS 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 2 0.0 26 20:48 43.8
Dec 01 '11 MTL @ SJS 0 0 0 -3 0 0 0 3 0.0 26 19:16 63.6

0.55 per game.

I get his downside is his injuries, but the one he sustained was a freak accident. we have to give him at least this season+playoffs to see what he is worth, because right now he has no value anyway.

we need scoring support IN ADDITION to havlat, otherwise we maintain the same issue as before.

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I agree, plus it puts us right back where we started.

There are two reasons there is some sense to it though (if somehow a reasonable deal could be made, doubtful).

1) It's a Doug Wilson kind of move. "When that kind of player becomes available you have to go for it"

2) If it can be jammed under the cap it may expand the Sharks window quite a bit longer. Boyle will likely retire in 2014 when his contract ends, and JT and Marleau will at best re-sign for cheaper deals. If they don't, the Sharks will still have Nash, Pavelski, Couture, Havlat and possibly Clowe to fill out a top-6. Leaving a re-signed to a cheaper deal Marleau/Thornton as the 2nd line center (possibly).

So is it a good idea? Probably not. Would Doug Wilson do it if he can make a deal? Very likely.

Really though? What do you offer that helps CBJ besides cap space?

Demers, Wingels/Ferriero, Sateri, 1st? Unless Nash will only accept a trade to SJ, I just don't see a deal being workable.
Just a thought on point #1.

Having done Heatley and having it not work with that reasoning, do you think he would be cautious about using the same reason again?

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I think the only reason Havlat is being mentioned as a piece of the trade is because of his cap hit. Taking on 7.8 Million would mean we need to give somebody up. The fact that he is more of an unknown makes it easier to give him up too (because we dont really know what we will be missing).

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