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02-08-2012, 12:30 PM
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You are going to have to offer better odds if you plan on getting action. I'd give 30 to 1, on 500$ that the Canucks win the division.
Just so you know, Bet365 is paying 1.005 on the Canucks winnning the division (bet 200 to win $1).

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02-08-2012, 12:55 PM
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The Avs are currently playing at an 84 point pace. If you take away their abysmal 2-12-1 vs the NW they play at a 94 point pace vs the Pacific and Central combined. Minnesota plays at a 104 point pace vs the Pacific and Central combined. If anyone is being propped up by the weak NW its Calgary. They have 12 of their 24 wins vs the NW.

There are three weak teams in the NW. Colorado Calgary and Edmonton. Calgary is skewing the results by being inexplicably good vs the NW otherwise Minnesota would be higher in the standing.

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02-08-2012, 01:13 PM
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Southeast?
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02-08-2012, 01:33 PM
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I really hate this argument only because it shows a real lack of hockey knowledge.

Can the Canucks help it that they are so good in their division? Detroit feasted on teams in the Central and no one said boo about it, but we should criticize the Canucks? Cause the OP said the Canucks record is a mirage... Yet they continue to beat the Hawks, Wings, Blues, Preds, Kings, Sharks, Bruins... I mean they are still winning against other non division teams, but their record is an illusion?!?!

I just hate this argument. The NW may not be the best division, but it isn't a walk in the park and what's more to penalize the Canucks because they are so much better than the other teams in their division is just stupid, plain and simple.

Vancouver is one of the top 5 teams in the league. The NHL. Who cares what division they play in, as they only play 8 more games against teams in their own division. Are you telling me those 8 extra games skew the Canucks record and makes them look infinitely better than they are?!?!

I wouldn't buy that argument if you sold it to me on a gold platter with whip cream and a cherry on top.

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02-08-2012, 01:55 PM
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The thing is, every other team in the Western Conference plays the bottom 4 NW teams a bunch of times too. It's hard to argue the Canucks have gained some huge advantage so far. Here are the number of games and points each of the top teams has gotten from COL, MIN, CGY, and EDM:

Vancouver: 14 games; 22 points
Nashville: 12 games; 16 points
San Jose: 10 games; 15 points
Detroit: 12 games; 15 points
St. Louis: 12 games; 14 points
Chicago: 14 games; 13 points
LA: 9 games; 7 points

So only San Jose and LA have gotten appreciably fewer games vs. those teams than the Canucks. It's not Vancouver's fault that most of those teams are dropping games that should be easy wins.

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02-08-2012, 02:19 PM
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The thing is, every other team in the Western Conference plays the bottom 4 NW teams a bunch of times too. It's hard to argue the Canucks have gained some huge advantage so far. Here are the number of games and points each of the top teams has gotten from COL, MIN, CGY, and EDM:

Vancouver: 14 games; 22 points
Nashville: 12 games; 16 points
San Jose: 10 games; 15 points
Detroit: 12 games; 15 points
St. Louis: 12 games; 14 points
Chicago: 14 games; 13 points
LA: 9 games; 7 points

So only San Jose and LA have gotten appreciably fewer games vs. those teams than the Canucks. It's not Vancouver's fault that most of those teams are dropping games that should be easy wins.
Maybe the NW isn't as bad as some people think, but that other teams are just that good? I mean the Preds look really good, and are better than last year.

My point is the Division is not a "weak" division, but it certainly is not as strong as others. It's not like the Wild, Avs, and Flames are not in the playoff hunt at all. They are all right there with the Stars and Yotes.

One could argue the Pacific is just as weak with the Ducks, Yotes and Stars.

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02-08-2012, 02:26 PM
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The thing is, every other team in the Western Conference plays the bottom 4 NW teams a bunch of times too. It's hard to argue the Canucks have gained some huge advantage so far. Here are the number of games and points each of the top teams has gotten from COL, MIN, CGY, and EDM:

Vancouver: 14 games; 22 points
Nashville: 12 games; 16 points
San Jose: 10 games; 15 points
Detroit: 12 games; 15 points
St. Louis: 12 games; 14 points
Chicago: 14 games; 13 points
LA: 9 games; 7 points

So only San Jose and LA have gotten appreciably fewer games vs. those teams than the Canucks. It's not Vancouver's fault that most of those teams are dropping games that should be easy wins.
So we're just holding our whole division down by constantly beating them? If we just lost a few more games to them, they'd appear better?

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02-12-2012, 06:11 PM
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The thing is, every other team in the Western Conference plays the bottom 4 NW teams a bunch of times too. It's hard to argue the Canucks have gained some huge advantage so far. Here are the number of games and points each of the top teams has gotten from COL, MIN, CGY, and EDM:

Vancouver: 14 games; 22 points
Nashville: 12 games; 16 points
San Jose: 10 games; 15 points
Detroit: 12 games; 15 points
St. Louis: 12 games; 14 points
Chicago: 14 games; 13 points
LA: 9 games; 7 points

So only San Jose and LA have gotten appreciably fewer games vs. those teams than the Canucks. It's not Vancouver's fault that most of those teams are dropping games that should be easy wins.
I also don't really understand how people out there think Vancouver is only doing this well because they feast on a weak division.

That may have been true when divisional teams played each other 8 times but when you play each other 6 times it's not that much of a difference.

For example we play the other NW division teams 24 times. San Jose plays the other NW division teams 16 times. So that's 8 additional games.

So while we play Calgary (60), Colorado (60), Minnesota (58), and Edmonton (49) twice each San Jose plays LA (63), Phoenix (62), Dallas (59), and Anaheim (51) twice.

Is it really that significant of a difference? Even if you say yeah it is a significant difference how much of a difference is it?? Assuming San Jose in those additional 8 games goes 5-3, what would they have done had they played the NW teams instead?? Maybe 6-2?? So really when it's all said and done at best you can give Vancouver 2-4 points more because of the division they play in and over an 82 game season that just isn't that significant.

Even if you use Detroit as an example here's what you get.

So while we play Calgary (60), Colorado (60), Minnesota (58), and Edmonton (49) twice each Detroit plays STL (73), Nashville (70), Chicago (65), and Columbus (38) twice.

At worst you expect Detroit to go 3-3 in the games against STL, Nashville and Chicago. Columbus should be a team that Detroit goes 2-0 or 1-0-1 against. So you're looking at something like 4-3-1 in those additional 8 games which gives them 9 points while Vancouver let's assume goes 6-2 in their games which gives them 12 points which is only a 3 point difference when it's all said and done.

8 additional games just isn't a large enough number to make a significant difference between two teams that are considered to be elite.

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02-12-2012, 08:52 PM
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but but but at the beginning of the season Oilers fans said...

(okay they said a lot of LOL worthy things)

99% of us said "Lets enjoy it while we can"

shall I bring up what nuck fans where saying into early November?

some of you were forming a kynch mob--while the rest of us pointed out the fact the team always starts of slow and then goes nuts

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02-13-2012, 02:42 PM
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I don't care if people say the NW Division is weak. As far as I'm concerned every year a different division is weak. Look back at the Central Division when Chicago, St. Louis and Columbus all had poor records.

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02-13-2012, 02:46 PM
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I think it's a good thing. Remember the years when the Northwest was the toughest division in hockey? The Canucks limped into the playoffs each year exhausted and typically ran out of gas early. Now having arguably an "easy" schedule allows the Canucks to have a little more in the playoffs.

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02-13-2012, 03:02 PM
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I think it's a good thing. Remember the years when the Northwest was the toughest division in hockey? The Canucks limped into the playoffs each year exhausted and typically ran out of gas early. Now having arguably an "easy" schedule allows the Canucks to have a little more in the playoffs.
Much Like the Oilers in their hey day... I thought about this the other day. Aside from Calgary who was their in the Campbell confrence that could match them?

Seriously they played Van/Winnipeg, then the Flames which was a war, then back to the easy Norris with the Hawks, Blues, Wings or Northstars as the Leafs were just awful... by the time they got to the final they were just getting warmed up.

No Vancouver should be happy, take advantage and get top seed to play one of Calgary, Phoenix, Minny or Colorado.

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Winnipeg had some good teams back in the day.

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Winnipeg had some good teams back in the day.
1985 was the only year they were good... in the WHA they were really good but the expansion draft killed tham as they lost alot of very good players owned by other NHL teams.

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02-13-2012, 04:48 PM
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over the last few years look at vans record vs "playoff teams" during reg season and its been as good as anyones......also like how late in the season....the goalie with one of the best stats record and sv %(esp vs playoff teams) in the last 30 gms....Luo

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Detroit is also 7-1 in the shoot-out. So what does that tell you?
That they have Datsyuk?

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Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but with the Northwest Division title this year, the Canucks will become the all time leader in Northwest Division titles ever.

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