Another point for you guys who think the NHL rewards players based on merit: Eberle was a leading scorer in the league and they still passed him over originally for the All Star game. And don't anyone bring up that he was injured, there are examples from the past of injured players being chosen.
there are examples from this years all-star game as well. Eberle was fully deserving and got shafted. Just like he will be in award nominations if he is deserving.
I really wish they would change the name of this trophy.
why? you hate the word Lady being in it, and it isn't "manly" enough?
there is a good reason for the name and I don't know why it would be a problem to stick with it.
It would be nice to see Renney go with 7 D, since we are healthy now and still have deficiencies back there. Give the young guys an extra 2-3 minutes a game and some PK time if possible. Eberle averages about 4-5 minutes less than most guys in the scoring race and is only a few points back. That being said, I don't see anymore supplanting Malkin, except maybe Giroux.
Lady Byng as well, I think he could be a realistic option, but I don't see it as the type of award they would give to a 2nd year player. It would be interesting to see the ages of the guys that win that award, but it strikes me as an award for veterans, or guys who at least have 4-5 seasons under their belt. I could be totally off though.
why? you hate the word Lady being in it, and it isn't "manly" enough?
there is a good reason for the name and I don't know why it would be a problem to stick with it.
why? you hate the word Lady being in it, and it isn't "manly" enough?
there is a good reason for the name and I don't know why it would be a problem to stick with it.
There is definitely a good reason that the award is named the Lady Byng, but 100% this award gets more respect if it's named after Bobby Hull or someone equally respected instead. I don't think that's right, but it's the truth.
I'd personally love to see Eberle win and he should consider it a great honour if he even gets nominated.
Eberle averages about 4-5 minutes less than most guys in the scoring race and is only a few points back. That being said, I don't see anymore supplanting Malkin, except maybe Giroux.
I'll be nice and spare some of the disgust I have reading this thread, but I will say that I sure as heck hope the league never renames a trophy that was generously donated by the wife of a Vimy Ridge war hero to recognize the NHL's most gentlemanly player.
Completely disagree that the trophy gets more respect if it's named after Bobby Hull.
I'll be nice and spare some of the disgust I have reading this thread, but I will say that I sure as heck hope the league never renames a trophy that was generously donated by the wife of a Vimy Ridge war hero to recognize the NHL's most gentlemanly player.
Completely disagree that the trophy gets more respect if it's named after Bobby Hull.
I concur.
This trophy was donated by "Marie Evelyn Moreton" (Lady Byng), wife of Viscount Byng of Vimy.
Viscount Byng was a Vimy Ridge war hero and Lady Byng was a huge hockey fan.
Hold on, how did he even win the Clancy? Did the voters feel sorry for him for being the worst captain in the NHL?
No, they were trying to atone for the mistake they made in 2008 when they gave the Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy to Jason Blake instead of Fernando Pisani.
Interesting - the only players ever to win the Hart, Lady Byng and Art Ross in their careers are Gretzky, Martin St Louis, Bobby Hull, and Stan Mikita (the only guy to win all 3 in a year - he did that twice in a row)
So just to bump the thread... I think Eberle has a really good shot at this.
Top 4 candidates:
D Brian Campbell 49 pts 6 pim
F Jordan Eberle 73 pts 8 pim
F Loui Eriksson 68 pts 8 pim
F Matt Moulson 64 pts 6 pim
I think right now Eberle is definitely a top candidate to be nominated. Can he win it? A really good chance as he's the leading scorer in the NHL among those with under 10 pim.
Campbell may have the edge though as he's the #2 scoring dman with only 6 pim... and defense is regarded as a tougher position to stay out of the penalty box.
Right now I'd say he's the leading candidate among forwards though and it would be nice to see Jordan among the final nominees for the award. He deserves something for the great season he's had.
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Judging from the Calder debate, Datsyuk would have gotten into 3 fights in the dozen games he missed, just like RNH would only have had a mere 2 points in the 20 games he has missed, so he doesn't count.
I hope Eberle gets it, it would be well deserved.
EDIT: Guess Campbell is in it too, hadn't considered him. Although a D hasn't won this trophy in ages...
it is true, you can't just go by penalty minutes to show a player was the biggest gentleman.
but for Gretzky sometimes I wonder if he was the biggest gentleman or the biggest wuss.
I do think Eberle deserves to be one of the top three, though.
Eberle definitely deserves a nomination and in my opinion that's huge seeing as he's a 2nd year NHL player. I think that Loui Eriksson will take it in the end, and I think he deserves it. He was nominated last year and has for two (or three) seasons generally been considered to be one of the most underrated forwards in the league (according to other players and to a certain extent media). Also he's an extremely nice guy on and off the ice, never blowing his own horn despite arguably being the Dallas most consistent player in putting up goals and points.
That last part is not to say that Eberle is not a great guy on and off the ice. I know he is since I am following the Oilers obviously but, as a previous poster mentioned, this is one of the awards where reputation is very important. Especially since it is not only about putting up a decent amount of points and having a low PIM total (although those two are of course important). The rest is about how you are percieved by your surroundings and it's of course much easier for the people voting to know a player who's had a couple of solid seasons under his belt, i.e. who's been in the spotlight for a longer period of time.
All that said, I have a bias, and it's not that I am Swedish (that always get's neutralized if the other guy is an Oiler) but Loui Loui is from my town, Gothenburg, and represented my team in the SEL, Frolunda. And even more to the point of my bias is that he played his first hockey in Lerum BK which is the club I trained for many many years ago and is actually only about 3 kms from where I grew up as a kid... So... Take my arguments for what they are but also mind where they come from
