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02-08-2012, 11:36 AM
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Has Burke Set us up for complete 2013 Overhaul?

First off..I know a billion things can happen before the summer of 2013...but all along do you think he has been gambling on what he may be able to get...

Here is who comes off our books that year..

Tim Connolly - 4.5
Lupul - 4.25 (Alright but when he got him...obviously didn't think he would be this good)
Lombardi - 3.5
MacArthur - 3.25
Armstrong - 3.00
Bozak - 1.5
Steckel - 1.1
Orr - 1


And as of now the list of ppl that could become available are

Crosby (never)
Iggy
Elias
Perry
Getzlaf
Ribero
Hartnell
Morrow
Jordan Staal
Derek Roy
Nathan Horton
Zajac
Clowe
Weiss
Clarkson

and thats just naming the forwards..some D would be
Edler
Enstrom
Timonen
Klein


Also guys like Kadri Colborne Frattin ect..could be ready for cheap..full time NHL service.


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02-08-2012, 11:39 AM
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Coincidence imo. Burke likes short-term contracts, nothing over 5 years. The fact that a lot are expiring in 2013 is merely happenstance.

Besides, the likelihood of a Crosby, Getzlaf, Perry or J.Staal hitting free agency is unlikely

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02-08-2012, 11:40 AM
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Hilarious. How do people come up with this stuff?

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We already got our own little Ribeiro in Kadri

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Think it probably has to do more with CBA expiring rather then potential UFAs.

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You forgot that Wilson extension expires that year too.

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02-08-2012, 11:50 AM
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I was going to do a new thread with this topic. The title was going to be "2013 Apocalypse". The OP sux though because he's just typing his current man crushes and isn't thinking far enough ahead. People like myself are much better at that. Why? Answer: experience. Anyway take 3/4 of those names off that list because they just won't be man crush worthy in the '13-'14 season. Certainly not enough Leafs prospects or otherwise. Wisen up.

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02-08-2012, 11:54 AM
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Think it probably has to do more with CBA expiring rather then potential UFAs.
No one is aware of this, are they?

If we see a big cap dip, then 4.75 for Connolly could look like Crosby money.

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02-08-2012, 11:58 AM
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First off..I know a billion things can happen before the summer of 2013...but all along do you think he has been gambling on what he may be able to get...

First off...here is who comes off our books that year..

Tim Connolly - 4.5
Lupul - 4.25 (Alright but when he got him...obviously didn't think he would be this good)
Lombardi - 3.5
MacArthur - 3.25
Armstrong - 3.00
Bozak - 1.5
Steckel - 1.1
Orr - 1


And as of now the list of ppl that could become available are

Crosby (never)
Iggy
Elias
Perry
Getzlaf
Ribero
Hartnell
Morrow
Jordan Staal
Derek Roy
Nathan Horton
Zajac
Clowe
Weiss
Clarkson

and thats just naming the forwards..some D would be
Edler
Enstrom
Timonen
Klein


Also guys like Kadri Colborne Frattin ect..could be ready for cheap..full time NHL service.
Half of these guys are going to be re-signed.

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02-08-2012, 12:00 PM
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Think it probably has to do more with CBA expiring rather then potential UFAs.
Exactly

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I don't think he was looking at the UFA pool for this... obviously almost all the good names will be locked up by then.

But I do think he may have planned to have a lot of guys come off the books at the same time. If anything, it lets him re-evaluate our young guys, which ones are pushing for full time NHL duty. Which veterans does he think could be keepers or can't be replaced from within. etc.

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02-08-2012, 12:24 PM
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No one is aware of this, are they?

If we see a big cap dip, then 4.75 for Connolly could look like Crosby money.
We won't see a big cap dip, you can guarantee that

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I expect Lupul and Bozak will be resigned. Both of them for whatever reason can get Phil going. Army might as well if he takes a discount. The rest will be moving on.

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That would be extremely stupid to build and plan a team around the possibility of a few guys becoming free agent years down the road.

That's not the plan at all.

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For everyone one of the FA's in 2013, there is a prospect in the Leafs system that could hypothetically step into the line up full time. I.e. Kadri, Colborne, Blacker, Frattin, Mueller, etc. There will be a mix of these young players coming up on their ELC's to provide good value, and the money saved will be spent on a big name or two I'd imagine in free agency

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That is just coincidence, as others have said thats what happens when you sign short term contracts.

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Half of these guys are going to be re-signed.
Top half or bottom half?

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Burke has made sure to keep his roster extremely flexible at every step of the way, that's for sure.

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Think it probably has to do more with CBA expiring rather then potential UFAs.
Factor in the youth that is up and coming, Burke probably wanted to ensure they have a chance in the future.

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Burke & Co's strategy is clearly centred around roster agility. In order to make the moves they want, they need contracts that are manageable whether by trade or term.

Some of the trends are: Front loaded contracts, lack of full NTCs and terms no greater than 5 years.

I think it's smart for a variety of reasons. It allows for effective asset management (see the Franson/Lombardi and Lupul/Gardiner deals) and be nimble enough to sign a big name player once he becomes available (perhaps Getzlaf?). Not to mention the ability to weather any potential storms caused by the new CBA such as a sudden drop in cap space.

One interesting trend the Leafs have picked up on is structured deals to suit small market teams vs large market teams. For example, the Islanders are structuring their deals to be back loaded so that a large market team can acquire the player if need be at the tail end and have a favourable cap hit vs the large market team who front loads deals for big name players who can then drop the contract to a small market team whom benefit from a lower salary and the tail end with a higher cap hit.

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Burke has said in the past that cap space is a huge asset to have when making trades, UFA signings, and any other moves in between. By having the flexibility to not have long term contracts helps in building the team. This is Burke using short term contracts to be flexible with his team building.

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First off..I know a billion things can happen before the summer of 2013...but all along do you think he has been gambling on what he may be able to get...

Here is who comes off our books that year..

Tim Connolly - 4.5
Lupul - 4.25 (Alright but when he got him...obviously didn't think he would be this good)
Lombardi - 3.5
MacArthur - 3.25
Armstrong - 3.00
Bozak - 1.5
Steckel - 1.1
Orr - 1


And as of now the list of ppl that could become available are

Crosby (never)
Iggy
Elias
Perry
Getzlaf
Ribero
Hartnell
Morrow
Jordan Staal
Derek Roy
Nathan Horton
Zajac
Clowe
Weiss
Clarkson

and thats just naming the forwards..some D would be
Edler
Enstrom
Timonen
Klein


Also guys like Kadri Colborne Frattin ect..could be ready for cheap..full time NHL service.
Weiss and Clarkson could hit wots da sharks cap situation? Potentially Iggy if they don't trade him.

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Yep... Big summer for us

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Think it probably has to do more with CBA expiring rather then potential UFAs.
This.
The risk of signing an expensive team longer than 2013 is pretty big considering the cap MAY lower, even just a bit and the Leafs could end up in a Chicago-type situation having to trade off some valuable assets for cap space.

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Reaks of NHL 12 daydream fantasies only if the OP is serious. Are you implying that all these players will be available for Burke to pick and choose?

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