I just don't get how some fans want to see that section fail when the Devils are really trying to get more life into the building. This just another section that they are probably hoping will end up like 208/233 only difference is they want to stand.
I truly hope that 122 lasts and grows just as 208/233 have - but by their own doing - the fans in 122 can make it work long-term without help from the team.
It means a lot more for the fans to build something to last, than to have everything given to them by the front office.
I sit near 122 and haven't seen a megaphone used...my guess is they also have all that stuff for them so they don't have to bring it to and from every game.
Keep being loud at your end and don't worry about what everyone else is/isn't doing.
That was my guess. If you let people bring their own stuff, you're eventually going to have to draw a line, as they'll start bringing in stuff that goes against the policies the building holds everyone too. If you supply them with the crap they will use, you can keep it in check so as not to violate your building policies, and so that there is some consistency to the whole thing. That's it. This isn't the only case where a supporters game for a sports team has "stuff" controlled by the team/building.
I truly hope that 122 lasts and grows just as 208/233 have - but by their own doing - the fans in 122 can make it work long-term without help from the team.
It means a lot more for the fans to build something to last, than to have everything given to them by the front office.
Does it really matter who controls the section? They were looking for a home and the Devils found them one. Even if the Devils control the whole thing with their input. I am just happy the Devils cared enough to help and get more life into the building. Is it more rewarding if it was just the fans? I am 50/50 on it but having the Devils care is enough for me honestly.
I sit near 122 and haven't seen a megaphone used...my guess is they also have all that stuff for them so they don't have to bring it to and from every game.
Keep being loud at your end and don't worry about what everyone else is/isn't doing.
i have seen a megaphone box within their box of stuff that they get from guest services on multiple occasions.
I'm not concerned about what the 122 fans themselves are doing - again, I don't have a problem with them being another loud section, as I like the fact that there is now noise and energy on that end of the ice - I just feel that they should have to establish themselves without help from the team's front office - there's no reason why they need the team's help and attention.
i have seen a megaphone box within their box of stuff that they get from guest services on multiple occasions.
I'm not concerned about what the 122 fans themselves are doing - again, I don't have a problem with them being another loud section, as I like the fact that there is now noise and energy on that end of the ice - I just feel that they should have to establish themselves without help from the team's front office - there's no reason why they need the team's help and attention.
So you've seen it in a box, but have you seen them use it?
The Devils aren't the only ones who do something like this. Other teams have sections they promote as well. You sound like you're jealous...
Mine went to my gmail spam. First time anything from the Devils has ever gone there.
nope, not in spam. i haven't gotten any event e-mail this year. i only get them after someone posts here about it, i know it exists, then i e-mail or call them asking whats going on. it's not a huge deal would just be nice to get it with everyone else. can someone just give me the date for it?
I sit near 122 and haven't seen a megaphone used...my guess is they also have all that stuff for them so they don't have to bring it to and from every game.
Keep being loud at your end and don't worry about what everyone else is/isn't doing.
They do have a megaphone in 122 but I have only heard it during the lackluster games. I have never heard anyone start a chant using it though. They just used it last game to make noise.
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So you've seen it in a box, but have you seen them use it?
The Devils aren't the only ones who do something like this. Other teams have sections they promote as well. You sound like you're jealous...
Speaking of other teams doing it....................At the islander game is that section new or have they had it for awhile (speaking to anyone that knows)?
i have seen a megaphone box within their box of stuff that they get from guest services on multiple occasions.
I'm not concerned about what the 122 fans themselves are doing - again, I don't have a problem with them being another loud section, as I like the fact that there is now noise and energy on that end of the ice - I just feel that they should have to establish themselves without help from the team's front office - there's no reason why they need the team's help and attention.
If they could do it entirely on their own, it would have been in place years ago. That or you're saying fans didn't care enough until a year ago to make it happen. The idea started with fans. It wasn't the team saying "Hey! Want to create a supporters section? Email us!" Its far easier to get something started and make it a reality by working with the team so that they embrace the idea. If you try to do it entirely on your own, it just won't fly. Partner with the team and you'll do very well as long as the fans are interested. Its common sense for it to develop the way it did and there's nothing wrong with how it went down. If there is any animosity for why that's the supporters sections and not other areas, blame those in the other areas who didn't do something about it sooner, as you want the fans to do it themselves after all.
End of the day, who really cares? The point is that it allows an area for fans to go and make noise in a group, as opposed to 5 here, 10 here, 3 here, and 4 here all across the building. That's not to say other sections can't make noise and join together in the same fashion. But this sets up a universal location. If you want a box of stuff to use, get tickets in 122.
They were looking for a home and the Devils found them one.
I have no problem with the group working with the Devils to organize them into one section, and kicking it off - otherwise it may not have been able to launch as easily, quickly, or even together in one section, as Scott mentioned. By the first few games of the season, the team had the section launched and publicized, so that people knew what was going on in 122.
But as the season went on, the constant "join the diablos in 122" every game has gotten old - not only with 208/233, but the casual fans and friends that I've talked to as well.
Just let them do their thing, and the team can just keep a minimal level of control so that things don't get out of hand. Let the fans establish their place as a loud section without the constant recognition.
I don't really care that the team is behind it, if at a minimal level to regulate things - but the fact that game entertainment/marketing has elevated 122 far above the long-existing diehard sections has created a rift between groups of fans instead of uniting fans.
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Thank you BrodeurRULES for the megaphone input - from my seat in 208 during the game I can't see the fine details over in 122 to be able to spot the megaphone.
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That's basically my point - Either the team needs to (a) recognize and support 208 and 233 at the same level as 122, or (b) do not recognize any of the three sections.
So your entire argument was predicated on the point that no one section should be elevated above any other of the many sections in The Rock, but if it is, then TWO other of the many sections in The Rock also need to be elevated over the other many sections in The Rock?
Yeah, that makes sense.
FWIW, I think more fan support can only be a beneficial thing. The only problem I have with the Diablos (other than the dumb name) is that obnoxious soccer Vuvuzela that annoys the pizz out of 90% of the people at The Rock. Cant tell you how many people I've heard say "why the hell do they let him in with that" or "God that guy with the horn is obnoxious", or similar.
I have no problem with the group working with the Devils to organize them into one section, and kicking it off - otherwise it may not have been able to launch as easily, quickly, or even together in one section, as Scott mentioned. By the first few games of the season, the team had the section launched and publicized, so that people knew what was going on in 122.
But as the season went on, the constant "join the diablos in 122" every game has gotten old - not only with 208/233, but the casual fans and friends that I've talked to as well.
Just let them do their thing, and the team can just keep a minimal level of control so that things don't get out of hand. Let the fans establish their place as a loud section without the constant recognition.
I don't really care that the team is behind it, if at a minimal level to regulate things - but the fact that game entertainment/marketing has elevated 122 far above the long-existing diehard sections has created a rift between groups of fans instead of uniting fans.
That's called promotion. It serves the team no benefit to give it no promotion and run the greater risk of it dying out, as your average fan may not understand whats going on. The people that go to most games get it. That's fine. What about first time buyers? They don't know. The people that buy on an individual game basis are the ones most likely to buy tickets in the form of a full or partial plan in that section with the full intention of wanting to join a supporters group/section. Not those who already have tickets in a specific area and have no interest in joining (regardless of whether or not you appreciate what they do). The team isn't telling them what chants to do, what props to use, etc. They may tell them what not to do/use, but that's it. That IS minimal regulation. They're not scripting the fans. Putting certain restrictions in place, sure (policies surrounding artificial noisemakers, profanity, etc). What you're asking for is the team to neglect it and wait and see if it will sustain itself. You're criticizing the team for promoting it and potentially helping it to grow.
So your entire argument was predicated on the point that no one section should be elevated above any other of the many sections in The Rock, but if it is, then TWO other of the many sections in The Rock also need to be elevated over the other many sections in The Rock?
Honestly, I would like it to go back to the way it was prior to this season, where no one section is promoted over any other - go back to unity amongst all fans as a solid 'Devils Army'. But if they want to promote 122, then they should recognize the long-term diehards of 208/233/etc on an equal level (the current situation would be like the President promoting the Navy over the Marines, Air Force, etc. when they're all doing the same thing)
Scott, there's promotion, and then over-promotion. (Just like there's so many fans that posted how they were tired of the 'somebody left the gate open' commercial on the TV telecasts each break - that's the same way that many of us feel about hearing about 122 each game).
Shouldn't there be some mention of the diablos in the renewal brochure (which is also to an extent what they'll use to attract new people to join on board right now) if they were trying to promote ticket sales for that section? Or for newer STHs that just joined on board this year, as seeing a 122 mention might spark their interest in moving into that section next year? Or some mention with the "early access" program, specifically targeting new STHs?
If the team wants to keep marketing the diablos to sell tickets there, that's one thing, but right now it appears that they're just promoting them for the sake of filling in break time for the game entertainment department.
It would be nice to see some variety in the in-game entertainment other than going to 122 - once every few games in 122, fine - but not every game, and sometimes multiple times a game. The section will grow without constant, repetitive attention.
Can we all at least agree that there needs to be some balance and variety, not just 122?
Honestly, I would like it to go back to the way it was prior to this season, where no one section is promoted over any other - go back to unity amongst all fans as a solid 'Devils Army'. But if they want to promote 122, then they should recognize the long-term diehards of 208/233/etc on an equal level (the current situation would be like the President promoting the Navy over the Marines, Air Force, etc. when they're all doing the same thing)
There is unity. They quite often refer to all fans and the "Devils Army." If you want to recognize this area or that, you're gonna have to recognize almost every single section in the building. Cool, there are a lot of long-time ticket holders that are very passionate in 208/233. Are you saying there aren't any ticket holders with the same tenure in 128? 5? 15? Pick a section. Each time you say this, you just seem like you want your area to get attention. It gets to the point where they should just recognize all fans, which they already do whenever they say "Devils Army."
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Scott, there's promotion, and then over-promotion. (Just like there's so many fans that posted how they were tired of the 'somebody left the gate open' commercial on the TV telecasts each break - that's the same way that many of us feel about hearing about 122 each game).
Fans are unhappy about the commercial, but guess what, that's not the team's decision in any way shape or form. That's MSG's decision (and the particular sponsor), as they're the one's who sold the ad time and who created/approved the commercial spot. There have been annoying commercials since the beginning of time. Like I said before, you're going to get tired of something you hear over and over. You watch multiple Devils television broadcasts you're going to see the same commercials. You go to many Devils games, you're going to see the same announcements and in-game promos. Are you tired of the intro video, the format of the starting lineups, the in-game trivia contests, and the end of period recaps too? It's promotion. First time/single game buyers are the ones targeted with any sales pitch for the section. They are not there all the time, and are in turn not tired of it. You can't go to every game and not expect any repetition in what announcements/commercials/promos you'll see. That's just absurd to get upset about that.
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Shouldn't there be some mention of the diablos in the renewal brochure (which is also to an extent what they'll use to attract new people to join on board right now) if they were trying to promote ticket sales for that section? Or for newer STHs that just joined on board this year, as seeing a 122 mention might spark their interest in moving into that section next year? Or some mention with the "early access" program, specifically targeting new STHs?
Why would it make sense in the brochure? The renewal brochure goes out to those who already have tickets, and who are already well aware of the product due to the number of exposures they have had in arena. Anyone who is a current season ticket holder (partial or full) that has an interest in it already has the knowledge of its existence to pursue it. Mention the option for relocation, and all who express any interest in relocation can then be pitched the idea specifically. Does any ticket holder with zero interest in relocating want to be subject to the page or more of the renewal packet dedicated to relocating to a new area? You already said you're tired of the mention. Why would you now want it in the renewal package as well? You can't say its over-promoted and then ask for additional promotion of it.
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If the team wants to keep marketing the diablos to sell tickets there, that's one thing, but right now it appears that they're just promoting them for the sake of filling in break time for the game entertainment department.
How do you know that's the purpose? Again, it's not the same crowd there every game. Just because you see it 40 times doesn't mean every one does. Repetition is used to develop memory recall of the promotion, as well as to ensure a wider audience sees it, as single-game buyers vary day by day. There are two options for that space during stoppages. Sponsor related promos/PSAs, or self-promotion of some form. This is the latter. Find me any team in any sports that doesn't do this.
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It would be nice to see some variety in the in-game entertainment other than going to 122 - once every few games in 122, fine - but not every game, and sometimes multiple times a game. The section will grow without constant, repetitive attention.
Can we all at least agree that there needs to be some balance and variety, not just 122?
In-game entertainment is consistent game to game for one specific reason: sponsorship. Sponsors are paying to have their particular promos run at certain points during each and every game as specified in the contract. The particular promos are a combined effort between the team and the sponsor. You can suggest all of the varieties of promos you want to run, but unless they agree/approve, it means nothing. Unhappy that Enterprise always sponsors a trivia contest? Well then blame Enterprise for not wanting to do a different promo. This is something that can not easily be changed. Its unfortunate if you're not happy with the game presentation, but its not nearly as easy to change as you could imagine.
And again, it really just sounds like you want recognition for your section. It just can't be done. You're practically asking for a "Section of the Game," but you're not going to hit every section then, so what's the point? These 44 areas are awesome, but not the few that didn't get mentioned this season. Give it a rest as its an illogical argument.
There is unity. They quite often refer to all fans and the "Devils Army." If you want to recognize this area or that, you're gonna have to recognize almost every single section in the building. Cool, there are a lot of long-time ticket holders that are very passionate in 208/233. Are you saying there aren't any ticket holders with the same tenure in 128? 5? 15? Pick a section. Each time you say this, you just seem like you want your area to get attention. It gets to the point where they should just recognize all fans, which they already do whenever they say "Devils Army."
Fans are unhappy about the commercial, but guess what, that's not the team's decision in any way shape or form. That's MSG's decision (and the particular sponsor), as they're the one's who sold the ad time and who created/approved the commercial spot. There have been annoying commercials since the beginning of time. Like I said before, you're going to get tired of something you hear over and over. You watch multiple Devils television broadcasts you're going to see the same commercials. You go to many Devils games, you're going to see the same announcements and in-game promos. Are you tired of the intro video, the format of the starting lineups, the in-game trivia contests, and the end of period recaps too? It's promotion. First time/single game buyers are the ones targeted with any sales pitch for the section. They are not there all the time, and are in turn not tired of it. You can't go to every game and not expect any repetition in what announcements/commercials/promos you'll see. That's just absurd to get upset about that.
Why would it make sense in the brochure? The renewal brochure goes out to those who already have tickets, and who are already well aware of the product due to the number of exposures they have had in arena. Anyone who is a current season ticket holder (partial or full) that has an interest in it already has the knowledge of its existence to pursue it. Mention the option for relocation, and all who express any interest in relocation can then be pitched the idea specifically. Does any ticket holder with zero interest in relocating want to be subject to the page or more of the renewal packet dedicated to relocating to a new area? You already said you're tired of the mention. Why would you now want it in the renewal package as well? You can't say its over-promoted and then ask for additional promotion of it.
How do you know that's the purpose? Again, it's not the same crowd there every game. Just because you see it 40 times doesn't mean every one does. Repetition is used to develop memory recall of the promotion, as well as to ensure a wider audience sees it, as single-game buyers vary day by day. There are two options for that space during stoppages. Sponsor related promos/PSAs, or self-promotion of some form. This is the latter. Find me any team in any sports that doesn't do this.
In-game entertainment is consistent game to game for one specific reason: sponsorship. Sponsors are paying to have their particular promos run at certain points during each and every game as specified in the contract. The particular promos are a combined effort between the team and the sponsor. You can suggest all of the varieties of promos you want to run, but unless they agree/approve, it means nothing. Unhappy that Enterprise always sponsors a trivia contest? Well then blame Enterprise for not wanting to do a different promo. This is something that can not easily be changed. Its unfortunate if you're not happy with the game presentation, but its not nearly as easy to change as you could imagine.
And again, it really just sounds like you want recognition for your section. It just can't be done. You're practically asking for a "Section of the Game," but you're not going to hit every section then, so what's the point? These 44 areas are awesome, but not the few that didn't get mentioned this season. Give it a rest as its an illogical argument.
This post needs a giant round of applause and when you next interview for a job bring this with you to prove you know what you are talking about
It's a shame he hasn't landed a job in the industry yet. He definitely deserves one before I do. I'm too lazy to write out 6 paragraphs so I'll just applaud his effort
This post needs a giant round of applause and when you next interview for a job bring this with you to prove you know what you are talking about
You know the fun thing about writing that post is that while I was typing it, I kinda realized this would be a bad approach if I was answering in that tone as an employee. Its civil, but not quite in the "customer service" tone. Not to say any of my information is inaccurate, but it could be presented in a more professional/business way. Only reason its not ideal to bring to an interview
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Yeah I really enjoy Scott's posts.
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It's a shame he hasn't landed a job in the industry yet. He definitely deserves one before I do. I'm too lazy to write out 6 paragraphs so I'll just applaud his effort
I appreciate it. This thread in particular I try to answer with as much factual information as possible. I have a unique experience, as my family has had season tickets for a number of teams combined with the fact I have worked in a number of departments with a variety of pro teams (one of which being the sales/service/retention department that would deal with everything in these threads). That gives a ton of comparisons to draw off of, as well as questions I can answer. Any way I can help, I try. Now I just need to learn how to do it without rambling as long as I do The main reason I could write out 6 paragraphs is because I feel oddly passionate about the particular field(s) related to that post's content. And I pay too much attention to detail so I try to say everything as opposed to short, general phrasing. When do I ever have short posts?
And the reason I deserve a job before you is because I'm 2 years older and am more tired of sitting on my couch
You're more than welcome to stop by tomorrow and help me put all the signs up in the locker room
Lucky for me, I'm actually busy tomorrow. Not around too much before the opener. I am flying back in from Florida the day before the opener though, so expect me to try to play that off as me being overly dedicated.
There is way too much bickering and hatred between Devils fans. We need all of the fans that we can get. There are a ton of fans at games and even on this board who rub me the wrong way but complaining about the Diablos just seems petty. Anyone who puts out their own money for a season ticket is a diehard, whether they have been a Crazy or whatever group they want to associate with or whether they have had tickets for all 29 years in the lower bowl. Same thing goes for people who buy a non-STH package and for many single game buyers. If their scarves and recognition really bother you that much, you're missing the forest for the trees. You shouldn't look at them and think, "other people here might think that they are bigger fans than I am because they were on the scoreboard" or some other nonsense like that. You should be thinking, "that's cool that they are here and root for the same team that I do."
Side note: the BS concept of "real fans" needs to be retired. Someone is not more of a fan because they paid $20 to sit upstairs than a person who paid $175 to sit in clubs. People have different financial constraints. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are less knowledgeable or passionate.
The main reason I could write out 6 paragraphs is because I feel oddly passionate about the particular field(s) related to that post's content. And I pay too much attention to detail so I try to say everything as opposed to short, general phrasing. When do I ever have short posts? 
