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View Poll Results: How do you think Lehoux will do in his hockey career?
1st or 2nd line talent that will have a lasting impression 10 34.48%
3rd or 4th line...will make the big dance but won't do much 6 20.69%
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11-01-2004, 01:21 PM
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come on, ur best retort is to mess around with the fact that i said 3 years when there hasnt' been 3 complete years? i really thought u would come up with something better then that.
I just state the facts, he has had 2 mediocre years and who said I wanted to prove you wrong ?

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oh, and is it coincidence that as the Kings top prospects go back to play for manchester, lehoux got better? i havne't seen the games, but it is very feasible to beleive that he is one of those players that gets better as his linemates get better and not one to be the root of the offensive explosion.
From what I've read he's playing with Clarke and Kostopoulos.

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11-01-2004, 01:32 PM
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i don't have a grudge against anybody. i just don't understand how people can go arguing that lehoux is having a "turn around season" after only 5 games. it really boggles my mind, especially after knowing how inconsistent lehoux has always been.

perhaps im a bit too animated when i argue for something (which can be mistaken for a grudge? who knows, people hate arguing with me), but in all honesty i have yet to hear one solid argument from everyone who thinks this way (which also happens to be almost everybody).

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i don't have a grudge against anybody. i just don't understand how people can go arguing that lehoux is having a "turn around season" after only 5 games. it really boggles my mind, especially after knowing how inconsistent lehoux has always been.

perhaps im a bit too animated when i argue for something (which can be mistaken for a grudge? who knows, people hate arguing with me), but in all honesty i have yet to hear one solid argument from everyone who thinks this way (which also happens to be almost everybody).

I said it half joking by the way. I didn't really mean a grudge, maybe I meant to say you sound pissed off. Maybe I just took what you said out of context. (u guys are so damn eager to say he finally tapped into his "potential" and so quick to call him a "late bloomer" that you are just waiting for one excuse to validate your feelings.)

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11-01-2004, 02:49 PM
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I think a few people here are correct about the Lehoux evaluation....

kingsjohn makes a good point that it's still early to to tell if this is a streak or the real deal....

Others are suggesting that his play is the result of being paired with better linemates this season. I agree, what player wouldn't benifit from being on a line with Clarke and Kostopoulos as opposed to say Parros and Ftorek?

For those who are concerned with his two-way play, I'll leave you with this thought, I've seen Lehoux play in about 100-games over the past few years and he's playing the best 2-way hockey I've ever seen him play.

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11-01-2004, 06:03 PM
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u know wat, not wanting to judge a player before i seen him on his supposed "turn around",i wanted to avoid this thread as much as possible.. but i still wana put in one note.

this guy has played 5 games and u guys are close to calling him "legit" and putting him back up on the top 20 list. u guys are so damn eager to say he finally tapped into his "potential" and so quick to call him a "late bloomer" that you are just waiting for one excuse to validate your feelings. now as far as i can remmber, lehoux has always been labelled an inconsistent player, what makes you think this is any different?

i don't think lehoux is legit, even after all of this, i believe he still is not going to show a significant turn around this season. forgive me for being pessimistic,b ut i predict this flare now, a bump in a road, then lehoux mediocrity for the rest of the year with a few occasional flares throughout the season. if he proves me wrong, great! glad to have another prospect on board. but even then, one great year won't make me forget 3 mediocre ones.
5 games? People are judging based on his perfromance at the end of last year (playoffs), training camp performance, preseason AND the 5 games. A late bloomer how on earth is he a late bloomer someone pleaseeeee explain that to me...the guy is 21 years oldddddd! When has he been inconsistent besides his 2 years at Manchester? He should be on the top 20 list if anything atleast ahead of Flinn(although I hope he makes the team and kicks a$$). It looks like he has turned the corner and thats what it looks like right now...

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but even then, one great year won't make me forget 3 mediocre ones.
If you're counting his one AHL playoff game in 01-02 as a season, I think you should probably cut him some slack there. Other than that, he's only starting his 3rd pro season. Yea, that $ 70-k/year they've been paying Lehoux is a big waste when you look at what they got out of Brown for a million what last season???

It's a shame that one of the Kings prospects is off to one of the best starts ever by a prospect and you're already convinced you're going to focus on past seasons that you saw him play in maybe what, 2 or 3 games against rookies and prospects and have based your opinion on the notion that he wasn't called to LA to take part in two of the worst seasons the Kings have had in a long time?

Honestly KPD, if I were a Kings fan, about the first thing I'd want to do, is forget about the last two seasons and enjoy the success the kids are having now, but that's just me...


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11-01-2004, 07:12 PM
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If nothing else, we can be pleased with the way he is playing *right now*. If he stinks it up next week then jump off his band wagon. But for this moment of the early season he is playing out of his mind. What was, was..What will be, will be...
Come to that road when we get to it, but for now just enjoy the fact that he IS playing very well right now.

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11-01-2004, 07:21 PM
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I said it half joking by the way. I didn't really mean a grudge, maybe I meant to say you sound pissed off. Maybe I just took what you said out of context. (u guys are so damn eager to say he finally tapped into his "potential" and so quick to call him a "late bloomer" that you are just waiting for one excuse to validate your feelings.)
I'll say this about his "potential".........yes, Lehoux has finally tapped into his *AHL* potential. What he'll achieve in the *NHL* is still open for debate, though we've nothing yet to base such a debate upon.

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kingblazer, i enjoy your hopeful optimism. do i want lehoux to prove me wrong? absolutely. do i hope that he makes it. without a doubt. but do i think he will? no, i do not.

if u want me to sit back, enjoy his great performance, and be happy, i can do just that. but if you want me to believe that this is a sign that he's turned the corner, i cannot. unless he takes this the whole year through, even at which point i will still be skeptical, i will take all this with a grain of salt. i am not attacking how good he is playing now, as i said before, i really have no idea if he's beginning to pick up or not, but i do think you guys are pretty naive to take this as a point of believing he is better then some of our other prospects already. the fact that you said he's beginning to pick up his 2 way play is great, that means he's made huge steps forward already. so perhaps he is on his way to the NHL, but he still has consistency to battle with before any of us shoudl really start jumping on the lehoux bandwagon.

perhaps i argue too harshly against lehoux that people start thinkin i don tlike him as a person or something. i have nothing against him, just don't think he has it. not to mention one has to wonder if lehoux will ever get called up in a system as strict as AM's. so, that's just my opinion, all $.02 worth.

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11-01-2004, 08:00 PM
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I have to give major props to King Blazer he noticed "Yanick Reloaded" in training camp.
I hope it continues he is playing out of his mind and I would love to see him lighting it up in the NHL if it ever returns.


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I find Lehoux's venture in the minors to be similar to that of Eric Belanger's. Both were quite productive in the QMJHL, but in their first couple of seasons in the AHL, they both went through some setbacks.

In Belanger's case, he was constantly hurt and he wasn't played on the top scoring units (mainly due to the fact that the Kings were sharing an affiliate with the Canadiens in Fredricton, where Montreal was the primary affiliate and the coaching staff gave their players top billing).

I recall many people thinking Belanger would amount to nothing, but he adjusted and kept working on his overall game, which got him to where he is today, and he has done more than anyone anticipated as a 3rd line center. He's been quite effective in a checkling line role, winning faceoffs, always on the ice against the oppositions top scoring unit, and constantly used on the penalty killing teams.

There are many players who have blossomed in their mid-to-late 20's... Derek Armstrong is another example of that who is on the Kings roster, and he tore up the AHL and all he ever really needed was an opportunity, and we saw what a great "plug in" he became as a top 2 C playing with Ziggy Palffy or in between Luc and Klatt. Is he a top 2 line C on most NHL clubs? Probably not, but adding a player like him is a positive addition to any NHL club.

So my point is, don't write off Lehoux. He may or may not prove you wrong, but take into consideration that he is still young and he was not used in a top six role in his previous 2 seasons in Manchester (and perhaps some Monarchs fans who have followed his progress the past few years can enlighten us on the amount of ice time he averaged).

This season, up to 7 games thus far, he has been consistently productive and there was more of a pressure for him to produce. He has also been put on the point on the main PP unit along with Grebeshkov. If you are going to be critical of Lehoux, be fair and present credible reasons as to why we should think he will amount to nothing.

If anything, thus far he has proven he at least has the ability... over the course of a season we will see if he has the drive and desire.

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11-01-2004, 08:46 PM
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KPD, believe me, I've been where you're at with Lehoux. He simply pisses me off at times.

Hey, in 1997 I was screaming at Pat Burns for keeping three rookie forwards and one d-man on the Bruins and yelling even louder when Thornton missed like 27-games, but Thornton, Samsonov and even Axelsson turned out OK. Yea, Samsonov was Rookie of the year that year, hey, who knew???? Three Rookies spent the entire season in the NHL that year, no "learning to earn ice time" trips to the minors (Thornton couldn't go to the AHL). Add in Hal Gill (only 4-AHL games that year) and that's 4 Rookies that played a full season in the NHL in 97...Anything is possible....

KPD, the Boston Red Sox won the friggin World Series this year and had to beat NY 4-straight to do it! Hell with that planetary alignment, Lehoux could be the AHL MVP this season!!! Anything is possible here in the East right now!!!

I'm just going to enjoy it all for now and I will either revel in his "breakout" season or fry his butt for reverting to the Lehoux many have come to expect.

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If you're counting his one AHL playoff game in 01-02 as a season, I think you should probably cut him some slack there. Other than that, he's only starting his 3rd pro season. Yea, that $ 70-k/year they've been paying Lehoux is a big waste when you look at what they got out of Brown for a million what last season???

It's a shame that one of the Kings prospects is off to one of the best starts ever by a prospect and you're already convinced you're going to focus on past seasons that you saw him play in maybe what, 2 or 3 games against rookies and prospects and have based your opinion on the notion that he wasn't called to LA to take part in two of the worst seasons the Kings have had in a long time?

Honestly KPD, if I were a Kings fan, about the first thing I'd want to do, is forget about the last two seasons and enjoy the success the kids are having now, but that's just me...
I agree. We just have to sit back and see how the season goes for him but for now we can be very satisfied. This is my standing point: 1) He was being hyped with Frolov, Camms, and Aulin a few years ago. 2) He TORE up his old league. 3) He's 21 years old(not positive but something close to that). 4) I think its clear he has top offensive ability. 5) He's playing with very good line mates for probably the first time at Manchester.

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KPD, believe me, I've been where you're at with Lehoux. He simply pisses me off at times.

Hey, in 1997 I was screaming at Pat Burns for keeping three rookie forwards and one d-man on the Bruins and yelling even louder when Thornton missed like 27-games, but Thornton, Samsonov and even Axelsson turned out OK. Yea, Samsonov was Rookie of the year that year, hey, who knew???? Three Rookies spent the entire season in the NHL that year, no "learning to earn ice time" trips to the minors (Thornton couldn't go to the AHL). Add in Hal Gill (only 4-AHL games that year) and that's 4 Rookies that played a full season in the NHL in 97...Anything is possible....

KPD, the Boston Red Sox won the friggin World Series this year and had to beat NY 4-straight to do it! Hell with that planetary alignment, Lehoux could be the AHL MVP this season!!! Anything is possible here in the East right now!!!

I'm just going to enjoy it all for now and I will either revel in his "breakout" season or fry his butt for reverting to the Lehoux many have come to expect.
haha, then i think as different as me and you sound, we're actually all on the same page. i wish i got to have the inside information you have by being able to watch lehoux. it'll be interesting to see how he turns out

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For me the biggest improvement for Lehoux is his defensive play. To see Yanni backcheck, break up plays and even bang the boards is such a positive thing. I would like to lean toward the "breakout year". I also think that if it were mostly luck, we would not be seeing the turnaround in play.

I think that by the all star weekend we might be able to see if the productivity has dropped to make a fair assessment.

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I'm going to try to settle this. As a student of the game for many years, I think I can faithfully predict exactly how Lehoux will turn out.

He will average 2 points per game for his entire NHL career.
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2GP 2G 2A 4PTS - retired due to concussion

Remember, he's playing for the Kings afterall.

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Oh come on, even tiny Cammy lasted longer than that for the Kings.

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Oh come on, even tiny Cammy lasted longer than that for the Kings.
Because, he has a lot of heart and isnt afraid of the physical play...small or not Camms is going to be a goood one.

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Because, he has a lot of heart and isnt afraid of the physical play...small or not Camms is going to be a goood one.
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Twas' a response to a joke.

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Yanick Lehoux

What is the deal with this kid? the scouting reports don't make him out to be anything special, but his numbers are huge right now...is this kid for real?

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What is the deal with this kid? the scouting reports don't make him out to be anything special, but his numbers are huge right now...is this kid for real?
We're all wondering the same thing.

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