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02-09-2012, 01:56 PM
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Myers
Stafford


To Buff

1st Round Pick
Sam Gagner
Ales Hemsky (playoff push rental)

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02-09-2012, 02:00 PM
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Gonna take a wild guess, you're an Oilers fan?

After considering the pick, not sure either team does it.

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02-09-2012, 02:02 PM
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Is Grigorenko/Hemsky worth Myers? I'd do it. Staff-Gagner is fair IMO.

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02-09-2012, 02:11 PM
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Gonna take a wild guess, you're an Oilers fan?

After considering the pick, not sure either team does it.
why would an Oil fan want to trade Wayne Gagner and their 1st rounder.

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02-09-2012, 02:17 PM
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why would an Oil fan want to trade Wayne Gagner and their 1st rounder.
For some reason I forgot you guys are going to have a top 3 pick. I do love how it takes a few games and everything about Gagner changes though.

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02-09-2012, 02:19 PM
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why would an Oil fan want to trade Wayne Gagner and their 1st rounder.
Know what a fun game is?

Go back a month and see how many proposals Gagner is in by Oiler fans.

Not saying it's untrue of other clubs, but he's the flavor of the week.


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02-09-2012, 02:26 PM
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Sabres take the hit of Myers, end up top-5 in the draft, sign Suter for 8 mil.

Vanek- Roy -Pominville
Leino- Gagner- Kassian
Hecht - Adam - Kaleta
Ellis - Gaustad - Foligno

Suter - Ehrhoff
Weber - Sekera
Leo - Regehr

Miller
Enroth

Grigorenko
Galchenyuk
Armia
Pysyk
McNabb
etc.

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02-09-2012, 02:29 PM
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Myers
Stafford


To Buff

1st Round Pick
Sam Gagner
Ales Hemsky (playoff push rental)
If it was the 18yr old Tyler Myers I would trade


Myers

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1st Round Pick

But it isn't the 18 yr old Myers. But it's this new guy that has me questioning if he will ever be a #1 dman.

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02-09-2012, 02:48 PM
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No way if the first is in. Lines are built on pairs and then you just need complimentary players.

???-RNH-Eberle Both have shown insane chemistry together and the stats back it up especially eberle
Hall-Grigorenko-??? Hall is a speedy winger which is who grigorenko is currently playing with so hopefully they would have chemistry.


This could be the oilers top 6 for the next 10 years and depending on who the ??? are it could be very good for 10 years. True the team needs d but it also needs a second line center and there happens to be one in the top 2

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02-09-2012, 02:49 PM
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If it was the 18yr old Tyler Myers I would trade


Myers

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But it isn't the 18 yr old Myers. But it's this new guy that has me questioning if he will ever be a #1 dman.
Your actual proposal is off-base. Norris year or not. Norris Defensemen are worth much more then 1 top 5 pick.

Myers current value slightly lower, but not as much as to no longer warrant a top 5 pick. As Myers is signed for 7 years at a tolerable cap hit and what he can do the asking price at MINIMUM would be:

Top tier prospect
mid level roster player
High 1st round draft pick.

Or any combination of those 3.

Saying he isn't worth a top 5 alone...is just ignorant.

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02-09-2012, 03:28 PM
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Buffalo passes on the package. Myers upside and development so far are still too enticing to part with. They have no use for Hemsky right now, since they may very well be selling assets in their own right.

Simplifying it down to Gagner-Stafford with some sort of small piece(s) going from either side to even it up makes more sense from a Buffalo point of view.

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02-09-2012, 03:34 PM
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Sabres take the hit of Myers, end up top-5 in the draft, sign Suter for 8 mil.

Vanek- Roy -Pominville
Leino- Gagner- Kassian
Hecht - Adam - Kaleta
Ellis - Gaustad - Foligno

Suter - Ehrhoff
Weber - Sekera
Leo - Regehr

Miller
Enroth

Grigorenko
Galchenyuk
Armia
Pysyk
McNabb
etc.
When did Buffalo get permission to blow past the salary cap and sign Suter?

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02-09-2012, 03:41 PM
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When did Buffalo get permission to blow past the salary cap and sign Suter?
well they aren't resigning Boyes

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02-09-2012, 03:43 PM
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To Edm

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Stafford


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Sam Gagner
Ales Hemsky (playoff push rental)
I'd do Hemsky and a 1st for Myers and a 3rd but Gagner for Stafford no thanks. Maybe Hemsky for Stafford and a 2nd

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02-09-2012, 03:50 PM
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When did Buffalo get permission to blow past the salary cap and sign Suter?
Boyes, Kotalik, Morrisson come off the books. Hecht and Gaustad take small pay cuts based on the past few seasons. Gerbe and McCormick moved for cap purposes.

e: Incidentally I forgot Ennis.

Vanek- Roy -Pominville
Leino- Ennis - Kassian
Hecht - Gagner - Adam
Kaleta - Gaustad - Foligno


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02-09-2012, 03:57 PM
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IMO one Gagner too many in the OP

Hemsky + 1st for Myers + Stafford is even.

Add Peckham\Sutton or Barker if BUF wants. They are not in EDM's long term plans.

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02-09-2012, 04:00 PM
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I would be interested in Stafford but not for Gagner, yes it has to do with how he has been performing but you have to remember that he was injured at the beginning of the year and it wasn't until mid to late Dec where he stated that he is starting to feel better.

We have to remember that Gagner was the 6th over all pick and came in with some high potential. If we had a bigger number 1 centreman I would want to keep Gagner but we don't so we need some size up front with RNH and Eberle in our top 6. Hall has good size.

Our top 6 now are RNH, Hall, Eberle and Gagner. That is just too small. I am hoping that we get Grigorenko, he will add some nice size to the top 6. A top 6 of Hall, RNH, Eberle, Gagner, Grigorenko, Gagner and PRV(if he can get back his scoring ways). That would be a nice top 6 for the next 12 yrs.

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No need for Gagner and Stafford to be in this discussion. Simple 1st for Meyers if it is top 2.

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02-09-2012, 04:01 PM
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Boyes, Kotalik, Morrisson come off the books. Hecht and Gaustad take small pay cuts based on the past few seasons. Gerbe and McCormick moved for cap purposes.
Goose I could see taking another deal for the same $$$ - He wont likely take a pay cut though.... As for Jochen, I fear we may have seen the last of Jochen...

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IMO one Gagner too many in the OP

Hemsky + 1st for Myers + Stafford is even.

Add Peckham\Sutton or Barker if BUF wants. They are not in EDM's long term plans.
Hemsky has negative value at this point - Even with Stafford's dip in production, how on earth do you figure that horseplop is "even"? Oh, and Buffalo is not taking on redundant defensemen as they already have 3 or 4 ready in the Amerk chute...

Anyhow... Edmonton, You may not have Tyler Myers for any draft pick!!! if you wanna talk about Nuge-Myers, Maybe... but not for futures.


Counter:

To

- RW Drew Stafford ($4M)
- D Brayden McNabb ($900K)

or
D Mark Pysyk ($900K)

To

- C Sam Gagner ($2.275M RFA)
- 2012 2nd RND pick (McNabb)

or
2013 2nd RND pick (Pysyk)

Deal?


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Goose I could see taking another deal for the same $$$ - He wont likely take a pay cut though.... As for Jochen, I fear we may have seen the last of Jochen...
Yeah, I was being optimistic with his recovery. If Goose won't take a cut, happy trails. He's a dime a dozen and he can get overpaid by some team to reach the cap floor.

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Goose I could see taking another deal for the same $$$ - He wont likely take a pay cut though.... As for Jochen, I fear we may have seen the last of Jochen...

Anyhow... Edmonton, You may not have Tyler Myers for any draft pick!!! if you wanna talk about Nuge-Myers, Maybe... but not for futures.

Counter:

To

- RW Drew Stafford ($4M)
- D Brayden McNabb ($900K)

or
D Mark Pysyk ($900K)

To

- C Sam Gagner ($2.275M RFA)
- 2012 2nd RND pick (McNabb)

or
2013 2nd RND pick (Pysyk)

Deal?
No thanks on that. McNabb or Pysyk AND Stafford? No. Bad value for Buffalo.

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Sam Gagner
Ales Hemsky (playoff push rental)

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No thanks on that. McNabb or Pysyk AND Stafford? No. Bad value for Buffalo.
For Gagner (could be our new #2C ) & a #31-#33 pick? Am I that far off the mark Chain? I thought I was pretty close... Oh well

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Hemsky's value is on par with Stafford. Stafford's long and hefty contract and his production make his value negative.

No need for Horcoff v 2.0

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For Gagner (could be our new #2C ) & a #31-#33 pick? Am I that far off the mark Chain? I thought I was pretty close... Oh well
I suppose I value McNabb fairly highly and Pysyk not that far behind.

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Hemsky's value is on par with Stafford. Stafford's long and hefty contract and his production make his value negative.

No need for Horcoff v 2.0
When did 6% of the cap become hefty? He's got three years left on it... also, not particularly long.

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