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01-25-2012, 12:05 PM
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What's the word about Derek Brassard?

What's the word about Derek Brassard?


Would the Jackets still expect a substantial return for him or has he already attained the status of "salary dump"?

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What's the word about Derek Brassard?


Would the Jackets still expect a substantial return for him or has he already attained the status of "salary dump"?
To me, the uptick in his play since Arniel was fired would suggest that they aren't just going to give him away. It's going to have to take a deal that meets a need.

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To me, the uptick in his play since Arniel was fired would suggest that they aren't just going to give him away. It's going to have to take a deal that meets a need.
Agree, but at the same time, I think this is his last season with this organization.

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Agree, but at the same time, I think this is his last season with this organization.
$ 3.2 m cap hit for 2 more seasons after this one. $ 3.7 M salary in his final year. A lot of moolah for 16 points in 41 games.

What do you think Brassard could fetch?

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$ 3.2 m cap hit for 2 more seasons after this one. $ 3.7 M salary in his final year. A lot of moolah for 16 points in 41 games.

What do you think Brassard could fetch?
you also must consider that he has 16 points in 41 games because he wasn't played by Arniel.. a new coach has given him a chance to go back to that player who has progressed every year since joining the league.

shame about his injury and surgery as a rookie or he could have been special (had he continued his pace from the start)

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you also must consider that he has 16 points in 41 games because he wasn't played by Arniel.. a new coach has given him a chance to go back to that player who has progressed every year since joining the league.

shame about his injury and surgery as a rookie or he could have been special (had he continued his pace from the start)
True. It is a shame. He isn't the player he might have been.

How about:

Yannick Weber
Montreal's 2nd round 2013

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True. It is a shame. He isn't the player he might have been.

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Yannick Weber
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No...substantial. I honestly see Brass is our future plans. In MTL's case, he is like a Lars Eller. Dont want to get rid of him unless it really meets a need.

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No...substantial. I honestly see Brass is our future plans. In MTL's case, he is like a Lars Eller. Dont want to get rid of him unless it really meets a need.
I get it...though Eller is 2 years younger and $2.5M cheaper.

To be fair, Eller has yet to register anything close to a 47 point season. But the Jackets are no longer a small payroll team and Brassard does represent $3.2M against the cap. However if all this rumour-mongering about Carter proves to have some substance, salary cap may soon be much less of an issue.


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I get it...though Eller is 2 years younger and $2.5M cheaper.

To be fair, Eller has yet to register anything close to a 47 point season. But the Jackets are no longer a small payroll team and Brassard does represent $3.2M against the cap. However if all this rumour-mongering about Carter proves to have some substance, salary cap may soon be much less of an issue.
They arent going to trade him just to get rid of the cap. He's been our best player most nights since Arniel has been gone. Doubt Carter is gone either this year. I agree with our beat writer when he said it would be a travesty to trade Carter without ever going with a Nash Brass Carter line. Brassard needs someone to finish, he can shoot the puck but he cant do it all himself. Perfect example of this was Umberger last night, getting stoned with a clear chance down the slot with days for time. For some reason Richards thinks Brassard should be on the 2nd line and Vermette should be on the 1st line. Vermette has been awful for two straight years. He was producing great with Nash and the team got totally outplayed one game and he took Brass off. Now Brassard has made his 2nd line more productive. I think everyone had atleast a point last night and was plus 2. Basically, I really dont want to trade him because I think he is coming into his own. He is playing with passion and fire. Not to many players bring that anymore on this team.

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IMO we should use Brassard achievments and trade him. Johansen and Carter are better players. Only we cannot put Nash to Carter but Johansen. For example:

xxx--Carter--xxx
Prospal/xxx--Johansen--Nash

IMO there are more important things for us than Brassard.

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They arent going to trade him just to get rid of the cap. He's been our best player most nights since Arniel has been gone. Doubt Carter is gone either this year. I agree with our beat writer when he said it would be a travesty to trade Carter without ever going with a Nash Brass Carter line. Brassard needs someone to finish, he can shoot the puck but he cant do it all himself. Perfect example of this was Umberger last night, getting stoned with a clear chance down the slot with days for time. For some reason Richards thinks Brassard should be on the 2nd line and Vermette should be on the 1st line. Vermette has been awful for two straight years. He was producing great with Nash and the team got totally outplayed one game and he took Brass off. Now Brassard has made his 2nd line more productive. I think everyone had atleast a point last night and was plus 2. Basically, I really dont want to trade him because I think he is coming into his own. He is playing with passion and fire. Not to many players bring that anymore on this team.
Sorry but Carter is better center than Brassard and I dont see any reason why we should put Carter to wing only for Brassard especially when he plays better on center.

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As for Brass, he is coming around since Arniel was fired.. We need young guys in the system, I would not trade this player.

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Sorry but Carter is better center than Brassard and I dont see any reason why we should put Carter to wing only for Brassard especially when he plays better on center.
Because Carter is a better player on the wing. He is more a shooter and thats where he played his last year in Philly. Brassard has been our best center of late and hasnt had anyone to finish. Doesnt matter, I doubt we'll see it. Richards has too much of a man cruch on Vermette.

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And honestly (just to add since I cant edit) Carter centering Nash has sucked. Brassard is the only person on this team to have any chemistry with him.

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$ 3.2 m cap hit for 2 more seasons after this one. $ 3.7 M salary in his final year. A lot of moolah for 16 points in 41 games.

What do you think Brassard could fetch?
Brass also has 11 pts in 17 games which equates to approximately 54 pts over the course of a season. And that's playing with a makeshift team that is absolutely terrible right now.

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Nash

Would anyone on the Leafs roster fancy a trade for Nash? If so, be honest and tell me what would it take, include draft picks if you like.

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Luke Schenn + Nikolai Kulemin + Gustavsson.

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Luke Schenn + Nikolai Kulemin + Gustavsson.
That's a good proposal and I think the Leafs do it if you take out Gustavsson and add in a prospect like Ben Scrivens.

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I don't know if this has been posted here, but the rumor is that a 1st and roster player is being sought for Carter.

Portzline says Carter "most definitely available" and "we reported Sunday that they've decided to trade him"

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recent tweets by Portzline solidfy that moving Carter was discussed at the ownership meeting.... I didn't want to believe this was true, but.....





NHL GM'ing at its finest.... After what we gave up to get a top line center and for the team favorable cap hit and these jabronies are content to just brush aside the years and years of futility in trying to acquire one. This is an epic failure of everything a GM should be.

Carter may be a whiner and a moper, but he wants to win and to see this go down this soon is disturbing. If this is indeed true, It only strengthens my resolve to see Priest and Howson be escorted out the Arena with their boxes of belongings by Columbus's Finest.

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recent tweets by Portzline solidfy that moving Carter was discussed at the ownership meeting.... I didn't want to believe this was true, but.....





NHL GM'ing at its finest.... After what we gave up to get a top line center and for the team favorable cap hit and these jabronies are content to just brush aside the years and years of futility in trying to acquire one.

Carter may be a whiner and a moper, but he wants to win and to see this go down this soon is disturbing. If this is indeed true, It only strengthens my resolve to see Priest and Howson be escorted out the Arena with their boxes of belongings by Columbus's Finest.
If this is indeed the way it's going to go down, you can't absolve Carter of any role in this.

If he wants out, is a cancer, or both, they *have* to move him. I would agree that they should also follow up out the door if this happens, but I don't want the guy if he's a problem in the room.

Maybe not having Carter in the locker room is as much a relief to the players as having Arniel gone?

Sure hope they don't get rid of him, but if this is how it's going, you have to fire Howson for it, right? This summer's trade might still be a franchise altering move, just not exactly the way we thought.

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If this is indeed the way it's going to go down, you can't absolve Carter of any role in this.

If he wants out, is a cancer, or both, they *have* to move him. I would agree that they should also follow up out the door if this happens, but I don't want the guy if he's a problem in the room.

Maybe not having Carter in the locker room is as much a relief to the players as having Arniel gone?

Sure hope they don't get rid of him, but if this is how it's going, you have to fire Howson for it, right? This summer's trade might still be a franchise altering move, just not exactly the way we thought.
Completely agree with this, but I think they'll take the "how could Howson have known?" path.

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This summer's trade might still be a franchise altering move, just not exactly the way we thought.
This took me aback and made me sad and scared for the future.


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I don't know if this has been posted here, but the rumor is that a 1st and roster player is being sought for Carter.

Portzline says Carter "most definitely available" and "we reported Sunday that they've decided to trade him"
All I know is that we better end up with at least a top-8 pick and a player roughly equivalent to Voracek or I'm going to be livid. I don't care if he doesn't want to be there. You tell him you'll bury him for his career unless he gets out there and ups his trade value.

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