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02-13-2012, 10:50 AM
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I am on the Pahllson bandwagon but Wolski has to be moved to make the cap space. I think he's a good 3rd/4th line C and would be handy on draws late in games and the PK of course
Rangers have the cap space to add him without moving Wolski. As of today they can add a player with a cap hit of $5.1 million. I think I would honestly rather add Gaustad but wouldnt be upset with Pahlsson

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2 weeks until the trade deadline...i cannot wait until this is all over.

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I really think this will be a horrible deadline. I am not impressed with anyone who is reported to be available.

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Sounds like CGY C Mikael Backlund (upper body injury suffered Sat vs. VAN) will be out at least a month, but should get official word today.

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There is a deal to be made for Wolski. The Flames are dropping players like flies. Woly is not Brent Sutter's cup of tea but the Flames need a forward or two.

Wolski or a 2nd or 3rd. NYR can the flip the pick to Buffalo for Gaustad.

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#Flames injurys up front: Glencross, Moss, Stempniak, Jones, Backlund. This is a major test of organizational depth. #YYC

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#Flames injurys up front: Glencross, Moss, Stempniak, Jones, Backlund. This is a major test of organizational depth. #YYC

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A resolution on Tuomo's Ruuttu's situation with CAR -- either re-sign him or trade him --is not expected until later in the week.

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Rangers have the cap space to add him without moving Wolski. As of today they can add a player with a cap hit of $5.1 million. I think I would honestly rather add Gaustad but wouldnt be upset with Pahlsson
correct but Pahlson is around 2.25ish I believe and I dont want him to be the only pickup......they could use either Kubina, 4ish and especially a more offesive rental Forward

so moving Wolski out via waivers or trade and adding Kubina for example and then using the 5.1 million on Forwards

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02-13-2012, 11:09 AM
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one can only hope. Wolski and Zuccarello did real well together in CT.......this is likely too many bodies but I would do:

Wolski, Zuccarello, Bickel for Sarich, pick, Minor league AHL call ups to help CT

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Vitto I really hope MZA + 2nd is traded for something for nothing more than your persistence !!!!

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one can only hope. Wolski and Zuccarello did real well together in CT.......this is likely too many bodies but I would do:

Wolski, Zuccarello, Bickel for Sarich, pick, Minor league AHL call ups to help CT

Man I can't wait until the deadline has pasted just so that VItto can stop putting Zucco into everyone one of his trade proposals

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02-13-2012, 12:16 PM
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Would we trade Lundqvist for a ridiculous overpayment? Probably not because he is the face of our franchise. Would we have traded him in the 06-07 season for a ridiculous overpayment? Again probably not knowing his potential and he was already on the way to becoming the face of the franchise.

Hall is the face of EDM's franchise. Hell, EDM even had Taylor Hall announce the selection of RNH at this years draft... Hall is playing at an almost ppg pace this year. He is going no where and neither are any of the other players you make these proposals for.

Let's trade for Ovechkin while were at it. He is having an off year so his value must be lower then normal, say 3 1sts Staal Callahan and Kreider?
Lucy, you just so ridiculous!!!!!!!!!

Quickly:

We have established Hank is a world class G. We have a good idea ESTABLISHED as to what he brings. Whether or not it is even possible that we can trade him and get more desirable profit in return is doubtful, but again, names like Malkin, Stamkos, command you pay attention.

My critics want to have fun and say I have a mancrush on Kreider.
My point is, until we know what his ceiling is, we shouldn't be quick to trade him.
Is it likely he will meet/exceed Stamkos/Malkin, not merely franchise but generational players no, so he should be moved unless other compensation would be considered.

Could Kreider in short time + with his ELC contract be more valuable than some of these other names. Possibly. So let's not jump, shall we?


As to Hall:
The issue is NOT whether or not he is productive, BUT WHETHER OR NOT HE CAN BE REPLACED, AND IS THE VALUE RECEIVED WORTH MORE TO OILERS.

The #2 pick in the draft will shortly = Hall as to offense.
They already have RMH, Eberle, Gagner.

Could move Hall (or one of the others) if enough profitable overpayment was sent to them, especially if that overpayment fit their needs, which Girardi/Sauer +does.

Yield to the logic of this fact.

It's a fair alternate ? if Rangers are better off with more D than sniper, but again that is open to debate. But unless Oilers think they are better off making other moves + then signing Suter, etc., for example, they are better served my way as well.

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02-13-2012, 12:19 PM
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Gaustad to me fits exactly what the team needs as far as a bottom-6 forward. Moen makes a lot of sense too.
Moen also seems reasonably priced cap wise

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02-13-2012, 12:20 PM
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As much as I don't believe Zucco will be moved I do hope if he is it's to a team like Columbus who will play him not let me rot in the minors.The kid really does deserve a chance to play in the NHL before he goes back over seas

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02-13-2012, 12:31 PM
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Lucy, you just so ridiculous!!!!!!!!!

Quickly:

We have established Hank is a world class G. We have a good idea ESTABLISHED as to what he brings. Whether or not it is even possible that we can trade him and get more desirable profit in return is doubtful, but again, names like Malkin, Stamkos, command you pay attention.

My critics want to have fun and say I have a mancrush on Kreider.
My point is, until we know what his ceiling is, we shouldn't be quick to trade him.
Is it likely he will meet/exceed Stamkos/Malkin, not merely franchise but generational players no, so he should be moved unless other compensation would be considered.

Could Kreider in short time + with his ELC contract be more valuable than some of these other names. Possibly. So let's not jump, shall we?


As to Hall:
The issue is NOT whether or not he is productive, BUT WHETHER OR NOT HE CAN BE REPLACED, AND IS THE VALUE RECEIVED WORTH MORE TO OILERS.

The #2 pick in the draft will shortly = Hall as to offense.
They already have RMH, Eberle, Gagner.

Could move Hall (or one of the others) if enough profitable overpayment was sent to them, especially if that overpayment fit their needs, which Girardi/Sauer +does.

Yield to the logic of this fact.

It's a fair alternate ? if Rangers are better off with more D than sniper, but again that is open to debate. But unless Oilers think they are better off making other moves + then signing Suter, etc., for example, they are better served my way as well.
The Kreider example was sarcasm at its finest, first off.

Second, Hall is second on the Oilers in scoring despite having played less games then most. For that Oilers team I would say it is pretty irreplaceable.

Yield to the logic of what fact? Your own eyes make you think that your own logic can even remotely be considered fact. Girardi+ will not get you Taylor Hall. Girardi +++ will not get you Taylor Hall.

We all know Ryan Callahan can score. Is he replaceable? For the right price sure. But you would be hard pressed to find a Rangers fan here who would trade Callahan for anything less then an overpayment that would most likely cause said GM who is making the overpayment to lose his job. Just because the Rangers have an offer for Callahan that would be worth more then Callahans actual worth does not mean the Rangers should make the trade. It is nearly impossible to fathom how you can't seem to understand that logic. For all intensive purposes just assume that Taylor Hall is EDM's version of Callahan except with a higher offensive ceiling.

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02-13-2012, 12:35 PM
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The Kreider example was sarcasm at its finest, first off.

Second, Hall is second on the Oilers in scoring despite having played less games then most. For that Oilers team I would say it is pretty irreplaceable.

Yield to the logic of what fact? Your own eyes make you think that your own logic can even remotely be considered fact. Girardi+ will not get you Taylor Hall. Girardi +++ will not get you Taylor Hall.

We all know Ryan Callahan can score. Is he replaceable? For the right price sure. But you would be hard pressed to find a Rangers fan here who would trade Callahan for anything less then an overpayment that would most likely cause said GM who is making the overpayment to lose his job. Just because the Rangers have an offer for Callahan that would be worth more then Callahans actual worth does not mean the Rangers should make the trade. It is nearly impossible to fathom how you can't seem to understand that logic. For all intensive purposes just assume that Taylor Hall is EDM's version of Callahan except with a higher offensive ceiling.
Stop wasting your time he doesnt get it. Everything is math equations, forget reality. Its become good comic relief

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This is why i hate coming onto this thread.

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Staal and McD play the same side.
Bickel (slow and not good defensively) and Woywitka (probably slowest player on he team) playing 7 minutes a game in the playoffs will do nothing good.
Bold = yeah, but there good enough to adjust if necessary, should Torts decide on that pairing.

Disagree on Bickel.
Woywitka can still be useful at positional play (as opposed to a more full game, rushing the zone, etc.) Perhaps we can get an upgrade.

In any event, its not major minutes

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Stop wasting your time he doesnt get it. Everything is math equations, forget reality. Its become good comic relief
Well I now know why the rest of the HF world has the idea that Rangers fans in general think that Kreider will be the next Pavel Bure.

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I think the bottom line here is that if you like Taylor Hall that much then you should get Center Ice and watch Oilers games. He's not coming to NY any time soon. This is all pure fantasy and terribly pointless.

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Sounds like CGY C Mikael Backlund (upper body injury suffered Sat vs. VAN) will be out at least a month, but should get official word today.

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There is a deal to be made for Wolski. The Flames are dropping players like flies. Woly is not Brent Sutter's cup of tea but the Flames need a forward or two.

Wolski or a 2nd or 3rd. NYR can the flip the pick to Buffalo for Gaustad.
Big time yes, and even if less is forthcoming, its addition by subtraction, including immediate cap space.

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Well I now know why the rest of the HF world has the idea that Rangers fans in general think that Kreider will be the next Pavel Bure.
I really didnt read anything posted about kreider in this thread especially if bern was making the post.

Regardless im a big big fan of kreider because the kid has all the tools to become a solid top 3 forward. We really havent had anything like him over the past decade or so. He is a pretty complete player. His game could definitely use some work. But after seeing this kid play live a few times he has the size skill speed and hands to become an offensive threat in the NHL. Im not saying he will become elite but you gotta hold onto this one and see how it pans out.

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The Nostradamus in me.

Not every day you get to 1000 posts somewhere. That's some damn commitment, and i'm almost never on this board. So i'm boldly and arrogantly making an entire thread for the occasion. *Enter angry posts about how stupid this thread is*

Anyway, I called the Rangers getting Antropov at the deadline a few years ago. Last year, I predicted we'd get Bryan McCabe a month before it happened.

So, this year, my prediction is Teemu Selanne.

Call me crazy but I think that's who we'll get. I'll gladly eat my crow if we don't get him, but if we get him, I'll gladly accept the title of "sultan" or at least "bamf" on this board. I hope this thread is kept up, either so that I can gloat if i actually happens by some miracle, or that i can gladly accept the flack i'll get when he most likely remains in anaheim...

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I also think the rangers should look into stephane da costa in ottawa. They have a log jam at forward and hes sitting in the minors

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I really didnt read anything posted about kreider in this thread especially if bern was making the post.

Regardless im a big big fan of kreider because the kid has all the tools to become a solid top 3 forward. We really havent had anything like him over the past decade or so. He is a pretty complete player. His game could definitely use some work. But after seeing this kid play live a few times he has the size skill speed and hands to become an offensive threat in the NHL. Im not saying he will become elite but you gotta hold onto this one and see how it pans out.
I have no problem with that. I just think any one who expects him to score 30 goals in his rookie year will be severely disappointed.

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