LOL around the 11:00 mark you can see Renney's underlying hatred for the kid line
edit: Was looking forward to the Ga8ner game the whole time but they spent like 20 seconds on it...in the credits...
they better start the next episode with it
Last edited by 5RingsAndABeer: 02-12-2012 at 10:05 PM.
Funny how I felt the opposite of most of you guys. I thought this was one of the best episode since the opening of the first season of Oil Change. This episode instilled more hope and encouragement to us fans with all behind scene of management/scouts decisions with players development and how the Oil as an organization was ran. Not everything is exciting with wins and glamour. It's good to touch on some details that fans would not see away from the games. A better understanding overall I'd say.
It seems like this season is a lot more of just an overview & game re-caps than last season was. We're not seeing nearly as much of the behind-the-scenes dressing room talks / pre-game speeches, reaction on injuries (seeing Cogs get stitched up like that last year was awesome). Alas, still glad we have something, it just seems to be slipping a bit.
I think it's pretty laughable that the only reason we know these episodes are on is because a guy comes onto HFboards and posts that a new episode is on. Otherwise there is zero advertising for the show like TSN did last year. Honestly this season seems pretty bush league. Did the budget get cut in half or something?
Hell the last episode wasn't even listed correctly on the channel listing, my PVR missed it because it was labelled as one of the 1st season episodes, lol.
This episode was pure garbage to me. It was VERY obviously an apology piece by the Oilers. Everything they've faced criticism for this year, they addressed it with a positive spin in this episode, and it just pissed me off to feel so patronized and have the team spit on me in the guise of a "behind the scenes" look, when all they were doing was making excuses for crappy play. Injuries, Potter "finding his game", Barker's veteran presence badly missed, Ryan Smyth feeling "energized" by the youth, the "growing pains" shpiel...all fuggin' garbage.
If you look back a year ago, Colorado was as pathetic as we were. What'd they do? They addressed their biggest needs: Goaltending- Varlamov. Defense- Hejda, Johnson at the end of last year, O'Brien. Veteran leadership and guys who can actually play hockey on their bottom 6- Kobasew, McClement and Winnik toward the end of the year.
They recognized that they had WAY too many young kids trying to play in difficult positions and roles and they augmented their lineup fairly well with their needs. Sure, some of their moves were questionable, but overall, it's clear that they have a lot of good young talent and they need to start surrounding that talent with proven players.
Edmonton seems to be happy just throwing kids out in any position and role where they are weak and then just using "oh, well the kids are learning" excuse.
If you look at Edmonton's problems last year, they were largely similar to Colorado's. What'd they do? On D, they signed a guy, Woof, who was bought out by one of the worst teams in the league. And they traded one underachieving bottom pairing d-man for another. Meh. Decent pick up with Sutton, but they had HUGE problems on the back end, and it's partially hidden by the fact that Smid had a breakout year even the team didn't expect, not to mention the emergence of Potter as a useful bottom pairing guy. Didn't address the bulk of the problem as Colorado did with Johnson and Hejda.
Goaltending? Well, I don't advocate doing what Colorado did, but Edmonton just sat back and said "give us another year to evaluate". Goaltending hasn't been the biggest concern, as they're routinely outshot and outchanced badly by the opposition, so even good goaltending would be posterized more often than not. But it would've been nice to see them, I dunno, even make a play on Fasth. I think Danis was a nice pick-up, but why wasn't he seriously considered to push Bulin and Dubnyk for a roster spot?
Useful forwards? The Oilers had holes on their entire 3rd line (assuming that, coming into the year, Horc was a top-2 C, and they didn't think RNH would stick), and 4th line C and LW. They brought in Smyth, Belanger, and Eager...not bad, especially with Jones proving he could handle a bigger role. But they still have black holes on the 4th line with Petrell and Lander, both of whom could have heavily benefited from at least part of a year in the AHL.
In short, Tambellini just consistently misses out on two or three players that the team could REALLY benefit from every season. Two years ago, they lacked a 3rd line C, and 3rd and 4th line wingers, in addition to one or two offensive weapons. On D, they were putrid and were missing 2 reasonable top-4 d-man options, and arguably one more good bottom pairing option. And goaltending was mediocre at best.
This year, they addressed 3rd line C, and a few winger positions, but they still are lacking forward scoring and grinder depth. They solidified their bottom pairing, but they still have huge holes, or at least a huge HOLE, in the top-4, when everybody is healthy.
Next year, it looks like they'll be needing to address both wingers on the second line, and at least a couple bottom-6 players. AND, again, they'll have questions in goal, and at least a gaping hole in their top-4 D when everybody's healthy. What do I think Tambellini will do? He'll get one scoring winger, one bottom-6 winger, and another inadequate d-man for top-4 duty, which will be obvious when the team is healthy, and absolutely embarrassing when they inevitably experience injuries.
The guy is just inept at adequately addressing problems. He seems to be decent at recognizing them, just unable to fix them to any acceptable degree. And yet, Oil Change will have a good chunk of the fan base on board because they can "actually see" what goes on behind the scenes, even though it's all ridiculously patronizing and frustrating-as-hell spin.
I'm so annoyed that I spent 45 minutes watching that crap. This team should at least be competing, within 7 or 8 points of a playoff spot, by this time in the rebuild.
This episode was pure garbage to me. It was VERY obviously an apology piece by the Oilers. Everything they've faced criticism for this year, they addressed it with a positive spin in this episode, and it just pissed me off to feel so patronized and have the team spit on me in the guise of a "behind the scenes" look, when all they were doing was making excuses for crappy play. Injuries, Potter "finding his game", Barker's veteran presence badly missed, Ryan Smyth feeling "energized" by the youth, the "growing pains" shpiel...all fuggin' garbage.
If you look back a year ago, Colorado was as pathetic as we were. What'd they do? They addressed their biggest needs: Goaltending- Varlamov. Defense- Hejda, Johnson at the end of last year, O'Brien. Veteran leadership and guys who can actually play hockey on their bottom 6- Kobasew, McClement and Winnik toward the end of the year.
They recognized that they had WAY too many young kids trying to play in difficult positions and roles and they augmented their lineup fairly well with their needs. Sure, some of their moves were questionable, but overall, it's clear that they have a lot of good young talent and they need to start surrounding that talent with proven players.
Edmonton seems to be happy just throwing kids out in any position and role where they are weak and then just using "oh, well the kids are learning" excuse.
If you look at Edmonton's problems last year, they were largely similar to Colorado's. What'd they do? On D, they signed a guy, Woof, who was bought out by one of the worst teams in the league. And they traded one underachieving bottom pairing d-man for another. Meh. Decent pick up with Sutton, but they had HUGE problems on the back end, and it's partially hidden by the fact that Smid had a breakout year even the team didn't expect, not to mention the emergence of Potter as a useful bottom pairing guy. Didn't address the bulk of the problem as Colorado did with Johnson and Hejda.
Goaltending? Well, I don't advocate doing what Colorado did, but Edmonton just sat back and said "give us another year to evaluate". Goaltending hasn't been the biggest concern, as they're routinely outshot and outchanced badly by the opposition, so even good goaltending would be posterized more often than not. But it would've been nice to see them, I dunno, even make a play on Fasth. I think Danis was a nice pick-up, but why wasn't he seriously considered to push Bulin and Dubnyk for a roster spot?
Useful forwards? The Oilers had holes on their entire 3rd line (assuming that, coming into the year, Horc was a top-2 C, and they didn't think RNH would stick), and 4th line C and LW. They brought in Smyth, Belanger, and Eager...not bad, especially with Jones proving he could handle a bigger role. But they still have black holes on the 4th line with Petrell and Lander, both of whom could have heavily benefited from at least part of a year in the AHL.
In short, Tambellini just consistently misses out on two or three players that the team could REALLY benefit from every season. Two years ago, they lacked a 3rd line C, and 3rd and 4th line wingers, in addition to one or two offensive weapons. On D, they were putrid and were missing 2 reasonable top-4 d-man options, and arguably one more good bottom pairing option. And goaltending was mediocre at best.
This year, they addressed 3rd line C, and a few winger positions, but they still are lacking forward scoring and grinder depth. They solidified their bottom pairing, but they still have huge holes, or at least a huge HOLE, in the top-4, when everybody is healthy.
Next year, it looks like they'll be needing to address both wingers on the second line, and at least a couple bottom-6 players. AND, again, they'll have questions in goal, and at least a gaping hole in their top-4 D when everybody's healthy. What do I think Tambellini will do? He'll get one scoring winger, one bottom-6 winger, and another inadequate d-man for top-4 duty, which will be obvious when the team is healthy, and absolutely embarrassing when they inevitably experience injuries.
The guy is just inept at adequately addressing problems. He seems to be decent at recognizing them, just unable to fix them to any acceptable degree. And yet, Oil Change will have a good chunk of the fan base on board because they can "actually see" what goes on behind the scenes, even though it's all ridiculously patronizing and frustrating-as-hell spin.
I'm so annoyed that I spent 45 minutes watching that crap. This team should at least be competing, within 7 or 8 points of a playoff spot, by this time in the rebuild.
Wow...time to switch to decaf. More analysis and opinion in this post than on the show. The Avs overpaid greatly for the players you mentioned. If you truly feel duped readjust the channel your watching and move on. Ofcourse this show glamourizes the Oilers to a certain extent, most fans can see through the BS and some of the stuff is kind of cool...Tubes with his little dog, Klefbom seing the Oil play. You make it sound conspired and sinister.
Except the Oilers have already very clearly stated they aren't just retooling or going for a quick rebuild.
You can disagree with their methods or their long term planning, but I'm not sure how you can be ignorant of a 5 year, scorched earth, from scratch rebuild plan - that has been mentioned in every possible media outlet for 2 years now. They've made it clear numerous times that they aren't going to deviate from the plan of drafting and development for quick fix vets, so ranting that they aren't imitating Colorado is a bit over-dramatic at this point.
The show is light entertainment and not intended to be anything more than that.
Except the Oilers have already very clearly stated they aren't just retooling or going for a quick rebuild.
You can disagree with their methods or their long term planning, but I'm not sure how you can be ignorant of a 5 year, scorched earth, from scratch rebuild plan - that has been mentioned in every possible media outlet for 2 years now. They've made it clear numerous times that they aren't going to deviate from the plan of drafting and development for quick fix vets, so ranting that they aren't imitating Colorado is a bit over-dramatic at this point.
The show is light entertainment and not intended to be anything more than that.
Point out a successful rebuild, ANY rebuild, where a team went from dead last to a consistent top team without augmenting their drafting with veteran players to help the young guys along:
Pittsburgh had a bunch of vets in their last season out of the playoffs in 05-06, with Gonchar, Recchi, Leclair, Malone, Palffy, Jackman, Melichar, Murley, Scuderi, Roy, Caron, and Thibault playing the majority of the season. 12. The next year was actually fewer, but all-world players like Malkin and Crosby are prone to creating exceptions. Every other rebuilding team I'll show you has at least the same and usually greater numbers of vets.
Chicago, a better comparison, had in their last bad year, 07-08, Sharp, Lang, Jason Williams, Havlat, Bourque, Sopel, Perreault, Vandermeer, Khabibulin, Lalime.
And then boosted that for the next season with Havlat, Campbell, Sharp, Keith, Walker, Burish, Aaron Johnson, Pahlsson, Craig Adams (at first), Sopel, Huet, Bulin. From 10 useful vets to 13.
Look at Florida from last year to this year, even. Last year they had Weiss, Booth, Wideman, Reasoner, Higgins, Stillman, McCabe, Dvorak, Garrison, Bernier, Weaver, Allen, Hordichuk, Vokoun and Clemmenson. 15. This year they have 18, but also less young talent than Edmonton or Chicago had.
Kings? Their last bad year, 08-09, they had Frolov, Handzus, Stoll, Calder, Greene, harrold, O'Donnell, Armstrong, Gauthier, Ivanans, and Labarbera. 11 who played a meaningful amount of games. The next year? 11, adding Modin and Halpern to make it 13 for the playoff push.
Coyotes? 08-09, last year out of playoffs, they had Doan, Jokinen, Reinprecht, Jovo, Michalek, Fedoruk, Morris, Klee, Hale, Sauer, Bryz, for the majority of the year, with 2 of them moving out and being replaced by Lombardi, Prucha, and Kalinin for the end of the year. So let's say 12. The next year, a playoff season? 14 who played the majority of the year, and then add Stempniak, Morris, Schneider without any vets going out. So 17 during the push to the playoffs.
St Louis? Last year, they had Backes, Steen, McDonald, Boyes, Colaiacovo, McClement, Winchester, Brewer, Crombeen, Jackman, Porter, Janssen, Halak and Conklin who played the majority of the year. 14. This year? 16 (though, to be fair, Crombeen and McDonald have missed a lot...that presence is there though). Either way, no less than last year.
Let's even look at Toronto. Last year? 16 who played at least half the year. This year? 18, if you count Colby Armstrong.
Washington? Their last bad year in 06-07? They had 11 vets play the majority of the season. Their first playoff year the next season? They had 11 for most of the season and then added Fedorov, Cooke, and Huet, while only losing one vet in Pettinger, so 13 vets for their playoff push.
I used a slightly arbitrary number for "vet status". 25 y/o by end of the season. I'd have liked to use games played but it would've been a much more arduous task.
Either way, those team's average 12.6 vets on their non-playoff team's vs 14.8 on their playoff squads.
Edmonton right now? They have 13 vets who've played the majority of the season. They're set to lose Hemsky and Whitney in most seasons will play a majority. Still frightfully short on veteran presence especially considering just how young the "kids" are on the squad...and how old Smyth, Sutton and Khabi all are. Most teams only have 1 guy over 35, mayyybe 2. You can't tell me that if this team had one more defensive specialist of a 3rd line winger and a top-4 dman that they wouldn't be a lot more competitive. Or even a top-4 d-man and one more scoring forward vet. They would. And that's not a "quick fix", it's helping their young players. You think it's good for someone like Lander to be getting shelled on the 4th line playing 8 minutes a night over playing top-6 minutes in the AHL? Or having Petry and Peckham being thrown into the fire for lack of a better option, rather than being protected to some degree?
No. This team NEEDS defensive help on D and in their bottom 6 forwards, and they're going to need some veteran help on offense. Would you throw out two top lines with the oldest player being 23? I wouldn't, it's a recipe for goals against.
No matter what Oil brass says, NO team, ever, gets to be good on the strength of their kids alone. Not at all.
This episode was pure garbage to me. It was VERY obviously an apology piece by the Oilers. Everything they've faced criticism for this year, they addressed it with a positive spin in this episode, and it just pissed me off to feel so patronized and have the team spit on me in the guise of a "behind the scenes" look, when all they were doing was making excuses for crappy play. Injuries, Potter "finding his game", Barker's veteran presence badly missed, Ryan Smyth feeling "energized" by the youth, the "growing pains" shpiel...all fuggin' garbage.
If you look back a year ago, Colorado was as pathetic as we were. What'd they do? They addressed their biggest needs: Goaltending- Varlamov. Defense- Hejda, Johnson at the end of last year, O'Brien. Veteran leadership and guys who can actually play hockey on their bottom 6- Kobasew, McClement and Winnik toward the end of the year.
They recognized that they had WAY too many young kids trying to play in difficult positions and roles and they augmented their lineup fairly well with their needs. Sure, some of their moves were questionable, but overall, it's clear that they have a lot of good young talent and they need to start surrounding that talent with proven players.
Edmonton seems to be happy just throwing kids out in any position and role where they are weak and then just using "oh, well the kids are learning" excuse.
If you look at Edmonton's problems last year, they were largely similar to Colorado's. What'd they do? On D, they signed a guy, Woof, who was bought out by one of the worst teams in the league. And they traded one underachieving bottom pairing d-man for another. Meh. Decent pick up with Sutton, but they had HUGE problems on the back end, and it's partially hidden by the fact that Smid had a breakout year even the team didn't expect, not to mention the emergence of Potter as a useful bottom pairing guy. Didn't address the bulk of the problem as Colorado did with Johnson and Hejda.
Goaltending? Well, I don't advocate doing what Colorado did, but Edmonton just sat back and said "give us another year to evaluate". Goaltending hasn't been the biggest concern, as they're routinely outshot and outchanced badly by the opposition, so even good goaltending would be posterized more often than not. But it would've been nice to see them, I dunno, even make a play on Fasth. I think Danis was a nice pick-up, but why wasn't he seriously considered to push Bulin and Dubnyk for a roster spot?
Useful forwards? The Oilers had holes on their entire 3rd line (assuming that, coming into the year, Horc was a top-2 C, and they didn't think RNH would stick), and 4th line C and LW. They brought in Smyth, Belanger, and Eager...not bad, especially with Jones proving he could handle a bigger role. But they still have black holes on the 4th line with Petrell and Lander, both of whom could have heavily benefited from at least part of a year in the AHL.
In short, Tambellini just consistently misses out on two or three players that the team could REALLY benefit from every season. Two years ago, they lacked a 3rd line C, and 3rd and 4th line wingers, in addition to one or two offensive weapons. On D, they were putrid and were missing 2 reasonable top-4 d-man options, and arguably one more good bottom pairing option. And goaltending was mediocre at best.
This year, they addressed 3rd line C, and a few winger positions, but they still are lacking forward scoring and grinder depth. They solidified their bottom pairing, but they still have huge holes, or at least a huge HOLE, in the top-4, when everybody is healthy.
Next year, it looks like they'll be needing to address both wingers on the second line, and at least a couple bottom-6 players. AND, again, they'll have questions in goal, and at least a gaping hole in their top-4 D when everybody's healthy. What do I think Tambellini will do? He'll get one scoring winger, one bottom-6 winger, and another inadequate d-man for top-4 duty, which will be obvious when the team is healthy, and absolutely embarrassing when they inevitably experience injuries.
The guy is just inept at adequately addressing problems. He seems to be decent at recognizing them, just unable to fix them to any acceptable degree. And yet, Oil Change will have a good chunk of the fan base on board because they can "actually see" what goes on behind the scenes, even though it's all ridiculously patronizing and frustrating-as-hell spin.
I'm so annoyed that I spent 45 minutes watching that crap. This team should at least be competing, within 7 or 8 points of a playoff spot, by this time in the rebuild.
Colorado is in tenth, looking to miss the playoffs, and to top it all off, Varlamov has one of the worst Sv% in the league (63rd .899), and they are without their first round pick.
Using Colorado as an example of a team that did something doesnt seem to be very well thought out on your part.
If you want to look for a good example, try Florida. They went from a lottery team to leading their division in one year. All without giving up their first round pick or touching their formidable prospect pool.
Of course Oil Change is propaganda. What were you expecting?
Colorado is in tenth, looking to miss the playoffs, and to top it all off, Varlamov has one of the worst Sv% in the league (63rd .899), and they are without their first round pick.
Using Colorado as an example of a team that did something doesnt seem to be very well thought out on your part.
If you want to look for a good example, try Florida. They went from a lottery team to leading their division in one year. All without giving up their first round pick or touching their formidable prospect pool.
Of course Oil Change is propaganda. What were you expecting?
Well I have a much larger amount of respect for a GM who strikes out occasionally but hits some beauties out of the park than a guy who bunts and goes for walks as much as possible. Yeah Varlamov wasn't very smart and neither was Kessel for the Leafs. But landing Erik Johnson and Dion Phaneuf for what they gave up is a heck of a coup.
You have to take chances sometimes if you want to be successful. Can you really look at Colorado or Toronto and say that, based solely on their trades and signings over the past 2-3 years, they have not shown themselves to be significantly more astute and useful in acquiring talent than Tambellini?
Well I have a much larger amount of respect for a GM who strikes out occasionally but hits some beauties out of the park than a guy who bunts and goes for walks as much as possible. Yeah Varlamov wasn't very smart and neither was Kessel for the Leafs. But landing Erik Johnson and Dion Phaneuf for what they gave up is a heck of a coup.
You have to take chances sometimes if you want to be successful. Can you really look at Colorado or Toronto and say that, based solely on their trades and signings over the past 2-3 years, they have not shown themselves to be significantly more astute and useful in acquiring talent than Tambellini?
The cost for Johnson was Shattenkirk and Stewart, personally I think the Av's got seriously fleeced by St. Lou. Acting without completely thinking something through isn't a characteristic I find appealing in a GM.
Avs basically traded this years 1st, Stewart, and Shattenkirk for Varlamov and Johnson.
Lets review:
This years 1st = a likely top 15 pick
Stewart = Numbers aren't there this year but guys a monster.
Shattenkirk = Legit 2nd pairing pmd who would be the Oilers top d-man right now.
Varlamov = GAA of 3 and save % under .900. Can barely hold on to the starting job with old man Giguere.
Johnson = Bust
I'd rather Tambo fiddle his thumbs and wait for the right move before making boneheaded decisions like Sherman in Colorado.
Am I the only one who hated it when they showed the clips at the draft table where Stu, Tambo, et al say "We're taking a D here, who's on our list?" or something to that effect. And they postulate about who they should take and actually question their own draft rankings while on the floor within minutes of the pick being made while deciding between 2 or 3 guys (this was during the Klefbom pick). I like the Klefbom pick, but in a general sense, you can't pick by position at that point. That's not how I want to be thinking in the first or second round; third round and beyond, yeah that is fine because you have to build organizational depth at all positions.
In 2006, the Capitals picked two goalies (Neuvirth and Varlamov) 11 picks apart in the 1st and 2nd round. I'd say that worked out as good as possible for them and it should be a lesson. Neuvirth was the second of those picks and nobody within 10 picks after him likely holds the value he does presently and Varlamov already netted them another top-15 pick and a 2nd. It pays off to draft the highest players on your list if your scouts do their job properly, regardless of position. The Caps best defenseman in that 2006 year was Ben Clymer (!) and they didn't take a D until their 5th pick in that draft. You could definitely argue that picking a D earlier would have left them worse off judging by how other players turned out within 5-10 selections of the picks they owned.
When you're at the draft table, it should be going exclusively by who is left on the board that is highest in your rankings that you determined prior to the draft. You take who you think is going to be the best NHL player (i.e. 5 years from now) regardless of size, position, etc. Just my opinion though and my philosophy on the draft. Stu's been doing some good work so I guess I can't completely criticize but that bugged me a bit.
one thing i took from this episode was the renney interview talking about taylor hall, there is 0% chance that he is not the next captain of the oilers.
Probably been asked a billion times before, but can anyone point me to a good quality stream or download of Oil Change Season 1? The NHL.com/youtube stream is terrible, with video and audio cutting out at certain parts.
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