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If Montreal can find someone to fork over a 2nd for Gill, they damn sure should do that. The Sharks don't really have a need for a 3rd pairing PK specialist.
Plus his defensive numbers are worse than any of the Sharks defensemen, including White. There is flat out no room on this team for Gill. Even if we traded Murray, there are other better players I would look at who should cost about the same.
Plus his defensive numbers are worse than any of the Sharks defensemen, including White. There is flat out no room on this team for Gill. Even if we traded Murray, there are other better players I would look at who should cost about the same.
What do you qualify as "defensive numbers", if you don't mind me asking. Or are you referring to the +/- ?
Yes history suggests otherwise...I doubt Gill was every traded for a second round pick at the deadline...oh wait...
Hal Gill traded from the Toronto Maple Leafs to the Pittsburgh Penguins. Toronto will get a 2nd round pick this year and a 5th round pick in the 2009 draft.
Also, the Sharks should stay as far away as possible from Gill. In no way, shape, or form is he worth a 2nd round pick and I feel bad for any GM that is duped into believing he is actually worth that.
I love looking back at threads like this. "Gill will never get a 2nd"
Ooops.
They had to fork over a pick potentially to get it. That's like saying Niclas Wallin is worth a 2nd because he got one but he also had a 5th go with him. I said in the other Gill thread that it would take this for them to get a 2nd for Gill.
Where's that idiot Habs fan who considers Gill to be a Hab player forever? Even though he spent 8 years with Boston, had his best point years with Toronto and won a Cup with Pittsburgh? LOL I wish I could find that post. Good pickup for Nashville
They had to fork over a pick potentially to get it. That's like saying Niclas Wallin is worth a 2nd because he got one but he also had a 5th go with him. I said in the other Gill thread that it would take this for them to get a 2nd for Gill.
I think you're wrong again. Weak attempt to try to defend yourself. The 5th is conditional on what Geoffrion does next season, and was more likely what they had to pay for getting him included as an asset. I like this deal better than the 2nd+3rd the Stars got for Grossman, for example. Conditional 5th or no conditional 5th. Habs probably could have got a straight 2nd from half a dozen bidders in the league. But they wanted more, and Geoffrion was the best fit as more. The Grossman deal, the situations with others on the market like Kubina and Zidlicky, probably prompted the Habs to take this as the best on the table now, rather than wait and see if an even better bid would come along, because eventually the interested teams would start to fill their needs elsewhere if they didn't.
You were wrong, and it's better to just admit it in good humour, really, we've all been wrong before. It's a different world at the NHL trade deadline, and one needs to adjust one's perspective and valuations accordingly.
I think you're wrong again. Weak attempt to try to defend yourself. The 5th is conditional on what Geoffrion does next season, and was more likely what they had to pay for getting him included as an asset. I like this deal better than the 2nd+3rd the Stars got for Grossman, for example. Conditional 5th or no conditional 5th. Habs probably could have got a straight 2nd from half a dozen bidders in the league. But they wanted more, and Geoffrion was the best fit as more. The Grossman deal, the situations with others on the market like Kubina and Zidlicky, probably prompted the Habs to take this as the best on the table now, rather than wait and see if an even better bid would come along, because eventually the interested teams would start to fill their needs elsewhere if they didn't.
You were wrong, and it's better to just admit it in good humour, really, we've all been wrong before. It's a different world at the NHL trade deadline, and one needs to adjust one's perspective and valuations accordingly.
I think you're wrong again. Weak attempt to try to defend yourself. The 5th is conditional on what Geoffrion does next season, and was more likely what they had to pay for getting him included as an asset. I like this deal better than the 2nd+3rd the Stars got for Grossman, for example. Conditional 5th or no conditional 5th. Habs probably could have got a straight 2nd from half a dozen bidders in the league. But they wanted more, and Geoffrion was the best fit as more. The Grossman deal, the situations with others on the market like Kubina and Zidlicky, probably prompted the Habs to take this as the best on the table now, rather than wait and see if an even better bid would come along, because eventually the interested teams would start to fill their needs elsewhere if they didn't.
You were wrong, and it's better to just admit it in good humour, really, we've all been wrong before. It's a different world at the NHL trade deadline, and one needs to adjust one's perspective and valuations accordingly.
The conditions of the pick are irrelevant. If it was solely due to Geoffrion, they could've done that trade on its own. They all had to be in it together for both sides to do it.
They had to fork over a pick potentially to get it. That's like saying Niclas Wallin is worth a 2nd because he got one but he also had a 5th go with him. I said in the other Gill thread that it would take this for them to get a 2nd for Gill.
SORRY but the 5th was for BOOM BOOM JR.
We got our 2nd for Gill simple as that.
The conditions of the pick are irrelevant. If it was solely due to Geoffrion, they could've done that trade on its own. They all had to be in it together for both sides to do it.
How are they irrelevant.
The condition is basically "If Blake G is good enough to make the habs and stick on the team for 40+ games, nashville gets a 5th"
If Blake is good enough for the team and contributes it is no longer Gill and a 5th for a 2nd. It is not Gill and a 5th for a 2nd and geoffrion.
Also, if Blake does not play over 40 games next year it remains gill for a 2nd and a prospect just the same. Even if we go as far as removing the prospect, it's still Gill for a 2nd.
Please, no one cares that much if you were wrong, but insisting you were right when it's clear as day you weren't is a pointless exercise.
The conditions of the pick are irrelevant. If it was solely due to Geoffrion, they could've done that trade on its own. They all had to be in it together for both sides to do it.
You are just being foolish. If the Habs decide to bury Geoffrion in the AHL next season then they won't hand over the 5th round pick. Therefore the Habs got a 2nd round pick plus a mid-level prospect for Gill. ie. They got MORE than a 2nd rnd pick for him. For you to even attempt to defend yourself is beyond laughable.. You are just embarrassing yourself.
You are just being foolish. If the Habs decide to bury Geoffrion in the AHL next season then they won't hand over the 5th round pick. Therefore the Habs got a 2nd round pick plus a mid-level prospect for Gill. ie. They got MORE than a 2nd rnd pick for him. For you to even attempt to defend yourself is beyond laughable.. You are just embarrassing yourself.
You are just believing what you want to believe. I don't think that the Canadiens would ask for Geoffrion if they wanted to just bury him to keep an asset. However, that aspect of the trade doesn't get involved if the Habs aren't getting a 2nd rounder in the deal. The Preds were looking to both rent Gill and move a couple contracts off.
If you honestly think that Gill by himself would've gotten a 2nd rounder without the other stuff involved, you're fooling yourself.
You are just believing what you want to believe. I don't think that the Canadiens would ask for Geoffrion if they wanted to just bury him to keep an asset. However, that aspect of the trade doesn't get involved if the Habs aren't getting a 2nd rounder in the deal. The Preds were looking to both rent Gill and move a couple contracts off.
If you honestly think that Gill by himself would've gotten a 2nd rounder without the other stuff involved, you're fooling yourself.
So what you are saying is that Geoffrion was negative value? This young prospect, a former Hobey Baker winner with size, great skating ability and grit doesn't have any value?
[QUOTE=Pinkfloyd;44381087]You are just believing what you want to believe. I don't think that the Canadiens would ask for Geoffrion if they wanted to just bury him to keep an asset. However, that aspect of the trade doesn't get involved if the Habs aren't getting a 2nd rounder in the deal.
If you honestly think that Gill by himself would've gotten a 2nd rounder without the other stuff involved, you're fooling yourself.[/QUOTE]
The way your presenting it, Geoffrion has negatve value, which is completely false. Geoffrion is what he is, a mid-level propect and Slaney's implication in the trade is completely irrevelant value wise.
The Preds were looking to both rent Gill and move a couple contracts off.
Do you actually believe Geoffrion and Slaney's contracts were bothering Nashville enough that much they had to trade a 2nd instead of a 3rd for Gill????
Take a look at past deadline deals, players in Gill's category fetch 2nd rounders year in, year out.
Just admit you were out to lunch on this one and carry on.
You are just believing what you want to believe. I don't think that the Canadiens would ask for Geoffrion if they wanted to just bury him to keep an asset. However, that aspect of the trade doesn't get involved if the Habs aren't getting a 2nd rounder in the deal. The Preds were looking to both rent Gill and move a couple contracts off.
If you honestly think that Gill by himself would've gotten a 2nd rounder without the other stuff involved, you're fooling yourself.
You're getting further down the spiral of ridiculousness. It's not too late come back up, but please stop this non-sense. Slaney is worth nothing but Geoffrion certainly doesn't have negative value. Is that what you actually meant or did you just get lost in your own thought process?
So what you are saying is that Geoffrion was negative value? This young prospect, a former Hobey Baker winner with size, great skating ability and grit doesn't have any value?
What is wrong with you????
That's not what I said at all but believe what you will. I find it funny that you can devalue Geoffrion in one breath by saying the team can bury him in the AHL to keep an asset then in the next one, overvalue him by talking about his suddenly great potential.
The way your presenting it, Geoffrion has negatve value, which is completely false. Geoffrion is what he is, a mid-level propect and Slaney's implication in the trade is completely irrevelant value wise.
The Preds were looking to both rent Gill and move a couple contracts off.
Do you actually believe Geoffrion and Slaney's contracts were bothering Nashville enough that much they had to trade a 2nd instead of a 3rd for Gill????
Take a look at past deadline deals, players in Gill's category fetch 2nd rounders year in, year out.
Just admit you were out to lunch on this one and carry on.
No, that's simply how you want to interpret it. Just because a team wants to move contracts off, doesn't mean it implies negative value. It simply means they want to make the space for something else. It happens all the time. There is a contract limit in this league, you know.
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Originally Posted by Clipitar
You're getting further down the spiral of ridiculousness. It's not too late come back up, but please stop this non-sense. Slaney is worth nothing but Geoffrion certainly doesn't have negative value. Is that what you actually meant or did you just get lost in your own thought process?
Not really especially since I didn't say Geoffrion had negative value. You guys do well in taking some leaps for your own benefit.
I love looking back at threads like this. "Gill will never get a 2nd" 
assing yourself.
This young prospect, a former Hobey Baker winner with size, great skating ability and grit doesn't have any value?
