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The Dave Andreychuk Trade of 1993

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02-11-2012, 02:00 AM
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The Dave Andreychuk Trade of 1993

Looking back on the Sabres-Leafs trade of Dave Andreychuk in 1993, it's an interesting one to look at:

1. Andreychuk was not exactly slumping in Buffalo- he had 29 goals there in 1992-93 and was approaching a potential 50-goal season. We know he exploded with Toronto under Gilmour, but he was flanked by three bigger guns in Buffalo (LaFontaine, Mogilny, Hawerchuk) rather than one with the Leafs. Considering he ended up with 99 points and Hawerchuk came close to the century mark,iIf they don't deal him, the Sabres were looking at potentially having a team with 3 50-goal scorers and 4 100-point players).

2. The goalies- I know they wanted Fuhr because of his experience and Cup aura, but he wasn't exactly giving Potvin a run for his money in Toronto. Would it have been easier to either bring up the soon-to-be-great Hasek or gambled and given Darren Puppa one more shot?

3. Playoffs and what could have been- Fuhr did play decently in the playoffs (swept Boston, 4 one-goal games vs. the Habs), but how much of a difference might Andreychuk have made for the Sabres in those Montreal OT games?

Conversely, what would have become of the Leafs if they don't pull the trigger?

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Up until that season it had been a decade since the Sabres had made it past the first round.

They had offense, Mogilny and LaFontaine were setting records and the weakness of the team was goaltending. Puppa had been a starting goalie for a while but despite good regular seasons, couldn't cut it come playoff time. Tom Draper was too inconsistent to be reliable. Dominek Hasek was still unproven.

Andreychuk was having a great season but the Sabres had offense to spare. Coupled with the fact that Andreychuk had been on all those Sabres teams that had failed to advance past the first round had earned the nickname Andreychoke due to his underwhelming playoff performances.

Also Fuhr who was still thought of as a money goaltender, had connections with then Sabres coach John Muckler.

The Sabres finally made it out of the first round that season, sweeping the heavily favored Bruins in part because of Fuhr. They in turn got swept by Montreal who took advantage on an injuried LaFontaine and Mogilny.

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This trade was completely Muckler. He wanted his guy in Fuhr to bring experience and hold the fort down until Hasek was ready to become the full time starter. But losing Andreychuk always hurt because of his popularity.

I dont think the Sabres had a clue Hasek would take the job as fast as he did. Fuhr doesnt like Hasek to this day because of that

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This trade was completely Muckler. He wanted his guy in Fuhr to bring experience and hold the fort down until Hasek was ready to become the full time starter. But losing Andreychuk always hurt because of his popularity.

I dont think the Sabres had a clue Hasek would take the job as fast as he did. Fuhr doesnt like Hasek to this day because of that

Fuhr was so close to being done in 1993. Muckler was hoping for another Oiler miracle. At that time, European goalies did not have respect they do today so its no wonder they overlooked Hasek. Ironically, Hasek broke the stigma.

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One pattern that seems to emerge in trades that look like robbery in hindsight is:

(almost washed up star) for (star) and (a bunch of other stuff)

What makes it hard to understand, is if this was a needs-based trade (Buffalo has plenty of firepower, doesn't trust Puppa, Draper or Hasek), then why replace Toronto's backup and give them a first rounder, without taking back a depth forward in exchange for Puppa? Was Fuhr really that hot a commodity at that point?

If the trade was, say, Fuhr and Krushelnyski for Andreychuk and Puppa, would we be saying "oh well, it didn't work out for the Sabres, but it still made sense at the time"?

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can you imagine if that sabres team had an elite pp qb?

1. one of the most creative and talented wingers of his generation, with a top three wrist shot in the game and very underrated playmaking ability... who just happens to be in a 50 in 50 career season.

2. and that winger has ridiculous chemistry with a crazily talented playmaking center with 50 goal ability of his own, also at his absolute peak and threatening 100 assists and 150 points.

3. in front of the net is an elite screener/garbage collector, also in his peak and also a multiple 50 goal scorer... and he retired with the most pp goals of all time, i believe. longevity played a part in that, he was no esposito or tim kerr, but i'd put him up there with anyone else if we are only counting in front of the net on the pp ability.

4. the only guy who was past his prime, but an elite playmaking talent and the rare forward with the vision and poise to unflappably make plays on the pp. as stated earlier in this thread, still a 95 point player, though he is becoming more and more of a pp specialist.

if you replaced doug bodger, who was competent in that role, with a guy like kevin hatcher or jeff brown, i don't even want to imagine what those guys' stats would have looked like that year. it would have been calgary-esque. as it stood, that was the tenth ranked pp in the league that year.

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