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02-20-2012, 04:10 PM
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Hossa steps it up

I just looked at some stats and noticed something I wanted to share


Hossa, Toews and Kane are great players, we all know this.

Looking at their stats, I saw one thing that got my attention. Hossa scores on a consistent basis AGAINST all teams. He does not raise his point totals while playing against bad teams. He scores MORE points against the top teams as he scored against the bottom teams.


for comparision, Giroux scored more against the bottom teams, Malkin scores way more against non PO Teams than he does against PO teams - same with the Sedins and Toews & Kane

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Isn't toews known for stepping up big in big games? Can u show us the numbers if u can would like to see them for a comparison

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55% of possible points = good teams
<55 = bottom teams

Toews
55% teams: 23 Points / +6
<55 teams: 34 Points / +11

Kane
55% teams: 21 Points / +6
<55 teams: 28 Points / +7

Hossa
55% teams: 33 Points / +11
<55 teams: 25 Points / +12

most of the points against the good teams were against the teams with 62% or more of the possible points (PT%)

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02-20-2012, 04:33 PM
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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.


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/\ BS. The exact oppsite in fact. Hossa may not get the big numbers but his 2-way game is always apparent and is generally one of the best on the ice in playoffs.

I am however glad to see the OP found some valuable data in his neverending quest,

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I just looked at some stats and noticed something I wanted to share


Hossa, Toews and Kane are great players, we all know this.

Looking at their stats, I saw one thing that got my attention. Hossa scores on a consistent basis AGAINST all teams. He does not raise his point totals while playing against bad teams. He scores MORE points against the top teams as he scored against the bottom teams.


for comparision, Giroux scored more against the bottom teams, Malkin scores way more against non PO Teams than he does against PO teams - same with the Sedins and Toews & Kane
Who cares? Points are points. At the end of the day it doesn't ****ing matter at all who you score against, just that you are producing.

Meaningless topic is meaningless. I wonder how many of Gretzky's 215 points came against bad teams?

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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.
Go away troll!

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02-20-2012, 05:43 PM
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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.
Welcome to hockey! Would you like me to teach you what offsides are?

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02-20-2012, 10:20 PM
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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.
Yeah but did you see all of the touchdowns that Hossa scores during the regular season. He's my favorite hockey player in the world. He's so good at scoring touchdowns and shooting 3-pointers every hockey game.

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02-20-2012, 10:22 PM
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If we overlook that teeny-tiny 9 game stretch where Hossa only had 1 point (if that), he's been our team's best player since day 1. I was really really excited to watch him this year especially because i absolutely knew that since this was his first year where he he didn't have an extra month of hockey he would be well rested, injury free (knock on wood), and be able to play at an elite level consistantly again.

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02-20-2012, 10:29 PM
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If we overlook that teeny-tiny 9 game stretch where Hossa only had 1 point (if that), he's been our team's best player since day 1. I was really really excited to watch him this year especially because i absolutely knew that since this was his first year where he he didn't have an extra month of hockey he would be well rested, injury free (knock on wood), and be able to play at an elite level consistantly again.
What.. have.. you.. DONE?!?!

There's no "knock on wood" on the interwebs. You've just doomed Hossa and the Hawks season.. DOOMED!



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Good god. Please forgive me! I wasn't thinking. I wasn't thinking!!!!

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It's too late.. you can't take back something like that.. we'll just have to hope the universe shows Hossa and the Hawks mercy for your lapse in judgement.

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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.
Probably time to lose the Skille avy

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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.
I disagree. He hasn't been phenomenal in the playoffs but 3 goals and 12 assists in 2010 playoffs certainly shows he earned his cup that year. He came up big when needed. Ala Nashville goal. And this year he's already surpassed his point total from last year and the year before during the regular season with much hockey left to play. Think he's gonna have a huge playoffs this year...if we make it.

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55% of possible points = good teams
<55 = bottom teams

Toews
55% teams: 23 Points / +6
<55 teams: 34 Points / +11

Kane
55% teams: 21 Points / +6
<55 teams: 28 Points / +7

Hossa
55% teams: 33 Points / +11
<55 teams: 25 Points / +12

most of the points against the good teams were against the teams with 62% or more of the possible points (PT%)
So after 59 games a team with 65 points is top, 64 is bottom? And why does Hossa not dominate bottom feeders like Toews? Fewer nights off, please, Marian.

The real question is, which one of Kruger's points was against top competition, and which one was against bottom?

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If we overlook that teeny-tiny 9 game stretch where Hossa only had 1 point (if that), he's been our team's best player since day 1. I was really really excited to watch him this year especially because i absolutely knew that since this was his first year where he he didn't have an extra month of hockey he would be well rested, injury free (knock on wood), and be able to play at an elite level consistantly again.
Teeny-tiny 9 game stretch? That is a pretty significant number of games. Toews has been the best player on this team, and it really hasn't been that close. He is by far and away the most important player on this team.

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Teeny-tiny 9 game stretch? That is a pretty significant number of games. Toews has been the best player on this team, and it really hasn't been that close. He is by far and away the most important player on this team.
"teeny tiny" was sarcasm. With the exception of the road trip, Hossa was absolutely the best player on the Hawks. Best =\= most important for the record

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02-21-2012, 07:54 AM
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I could teach you which is the best way to break (for example) 1-3-1 trap, but I think I skip it, because you would not understand **** of it.

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Hossa is known as a bad playoff player. He disappears always when it matters and when every others big time players step up. Damn good regular season player but I don't like him at all.
Then I guess you were/are one of the ones that want to trade Hossa.

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Teeny-tiny 9 game stretch? That is a pretty significant number of games. Toews has been the best player on this team, and it really hasn't been that close. He is by far and away the most important player on this team.
You know, during the 9 game losing streak Toews played in 8 of those games. In those 8 games, Toews had zero goals and 2 assists and was a -4. It's not like Toews hasn't had his own bad stretches.

I agree with the other guy that Hossa has been the Hawks best player this year.

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You know, during the 9 game losing streak Toews played in 8 of those games. In those 8 games, Toews had zero goals and 2 assists and was a -4. It's not like Toews hasn't had his own bad stretches.

I agree with the other guy that Hossa has been the Hawks best player this year.
He was injured..everyone was like that through that 8 game stretch\


Toews easily best player this year

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If you factor out the games Hossa hasn't registered a point in... then he's registered a point in every game of the season!

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Hossa has garbage linemates most of the time and still stays at or around PPG since joining the Hawks.

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I could teach you which is the best way to break (for example) 1-3-1 trap, but I think I skip it, because you would not understand **** of it.
do it...

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