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02-18-2012, 02:34 AM
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In the past 3 years, Chicago's has taken 10 skaters with their 1st/2nd round picks.. with 8 of those 10 being picked in the last 2 drafts (the other two skaters being Dylan Olsen and Brandon Pirri). That's nowhere near enough time to judge what they have in each player. With that in mind, it's easy to understand why Bowman would be hesitant to move anyone this year.

Bowman has stated mutliple times that he feels young players/prospects are the life-blood of an organization. He wants to build from within, much like Detroit has done and continues to do. There's nothing wrong with that approach, especially when you have so many quality prospects.. but it takes time. You need to be patient. Luckly for the Hawks, the likes of Morin, Saad, Pirri, J.Hayes, Olsen, Shaw, Smith and Salak aren't that far off of being everyday NHLers and some, potentially impactful NHLers.
There's nothing wrong with this approach as long as this is the whole team philosophy - from the beginning of the year to the end.

This offseason Stan commented about how great it was to have cap room to make trades and modify the team when needed. Well, it's needed. Now all the sudden the market is too pricey? He should have thought about that in June and July. If the Hawks don't spend at least some of the cap space they so coveted in the past two years, this season will be a wasted opportunity and an example of poor management.

In addition, the thing about prospects is that most are much further away from being successful NHL players than most fans want to admit. The vast majority of players need AHL time and then even a couple years in the NHL to find their place.

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02-18-2012, 09:07 AM
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I think he won't go after a player he doesn't want to keep

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02-18-2012, 02:19 PM
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There's nothing wrong with this approach as long as this is the whole team philosophy - from the beginning of the year to the end.

This offseason Stan commented about how great it was to have cap room to make trades and modify the team when needed. Well, it's needed. Now all the sudden the market is too pricey? He should have thought about that in June and July. If the Hawks don't spend at least some of the cap space they so coveted in the past two years, this season will be a wasted opportunity and an example of poor management.

In addition, the thing about prospects is that most are much further away from being successful NHL players than most fans want to admit. The vast majority of players need AHL time and then even a couple years in the NHL to find their place.
He did think about it in July. The Hawks were predicted by many to win the Central and were, what? 8-1 Cup favorites heading into the year? Brunette hasn't worked out, Carcillo was hit and miss while he was in the line-up, O'Donnell and Lepisto have been in and out of the line-up and Montador's been inconsistent.. but not horrible. Again, these were signings that everyone wanted and that everyone thought would work out. Now that it's clear it hasn't worked out, it is difficult to make moves.

At the end of the day, Bowman also talked about giving young players a chance to earn spots in camp and most of his signings were 1-year deals.

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02-18-2012, 04:14 PM
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No talk about the rumored Luke Schenn for Mark McNeill trade?

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Other thread.

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Kubina to Flyers per Dreger

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Kubina to Flyers per Dreger
2 draft picks according to the Twittersers(McKenzie/Dreger)

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Kubina to Flyers per Dreger
For a 2nd and 5th. Must have been too expensive for Stan.

Grossman and Kubina for the Flyers. Wow.

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02-18-2012, 05:45 PM
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Pretty much leaves

Oduya (Win)
Allen (Car)
Spacek (Car)
Zanon (Min)

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02-18-2012, 05:49 PM
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Pretty much leaves

Oduya (Win)
Allen (Car)
Spacek (Car)
Zanon (Min)

It's possible that a dman is moved that we don't expect to be moved.

Jack Johnson for instance is also rumoured to be available. Winnipeg might move one of their young talented dmen for a good W. If you're right however it will make for a quiet deadline.

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02-18-2012, 05:52 PM
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At least no Western Conference teams obtained him.

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02-18-2012, 05:56 PM
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Flyers apparantly need to move a contract

Never know (Carle/Coburn maybe)

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If they go through that much trouble obtaining D depth, why would they move a d-man? I think they're working on a deal for Nash.

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I'd take Carle on the Hawks. Preferably Coburn, but he'd be expensive.

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Wow the flyers are going for it.

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I cant believe we didnt top either Grossman or Kubina's offers. Im afraid we might be too slow to pull the trigger. It's obvious we need some help

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02-18-2012, 08:47 PM
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I cant believe we didnt top either Grossman or Kubina's offers. Im afraid we might be too slow to pull the trigger. It's obvious we need some help
Posted in the other forum, Dallas asked for Saad and we don't know if Kubina would have waived for Chicago.

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02-18-2012, 08:59 PM
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There's nothing wrong with this approach as long as this is the whole team philosophy - from the beginning of the year to the end.

This offseason Stan commented about how great it was to have cap room to make trades and modify the team when needed. Well, it's needed. Now all the sudden the market is too pricey? He should have thought about that in June and July. If the Hawks don't spend at least some of the cap space they so coveted in the past two years, this season will be a wasted opportunity and an example of poor management.

In addition, the thing about prospects is that most are much further away from being successful NHL players than most fans want to admit. The vast majority of players need AHL time and then even a couple years in the NHL to find their place.
I'm sorry but this is just plain stupid. The point of having cap room is to make sure you have your options open. With the cap space we have, we could take on most any players contract for this season. Three things you need to remember though:

1) Just because we have cap room doesn't mean that the players we want are available.

2) Just because we have cap room, doesn't mean we should pay spend more assets than a player is worth to acquire them.

3) Cap implications don't end at the end of the season. IE- If we kept Campbell because, **** why not we aren't using that cap space anyways, then Bowman wouldn't have been able to extend Sharps contract without being forced into dumping salary in the offseason.


It's pretty easy with hindsight on your side to go back and say "Yeah we shouldn't have dumped all that salary because we aren't using it..." but somehow people still forget about managing the players we have in the system RIGHT NOW that need to be taken care of. For me, Sharp > Campbell, AINEC. I can understand an argument going the other way, but that's what all the moaning and groaning eventually boils down to... did Bowman want to keep Campbell or Sharp long term? Because there's no chance he could have kept both.

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02-18-2012, 10:30 PM
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I know they asked for Saad but they settled for a picks package, so clearly that was an option as well

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02-18-2012, 11:32 PM
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I know they asked for Saad but they settled for a picks package, so clearly that was an option as well
Yeah, an option for Philly. Not for Chicago.

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02-19-2012, 01:24 AM
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Listened to the radio and they think Bowman won't do anything. Thinks the team can't be fixed with a couple players. Need to give young guys experience and make a run in a couple years.

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Listened to the radio and they think Bowman won't do anything. Thinks the team can't be fixed with a couple players. Need to give young guys experience and make a run in a couple years.
It's near a zero percent chance that Stan doesn't acquire at least somebody he would be interested in having on the team next year like a Burish or Brassard, or also deal for a player he would be interested in trying to resign at fair value. No reason to go out and blow assets on mediocre rentals. The teams that continue to throw away draft pick after draft pick will pay the consequences sooner or later.

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Listened to the radio and they think Bowman won't do anything. Thinks the team can't be fixed with a couple players. Need to give young guys experience and make a run in a couple years.
You make it sound like this season is a write-off. A bit drastic isn't it? Sure, the Hawks have some problems, but a month ago they were top in the conference. There is nothing to say they couldn't go on a tear until the end of the season. Bowman will probably add some piece or pieces, but only if it makes sense in the long-term. It seems to me that Bowman is playing the long-game instead of mortgaging the future for a quick fix that might or might not help the Hawks in the short-term.

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02-19-2012, 03:37 AM
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Posted in the other forum, Dallas asked for Saad and we don't know if Kubina would have waived for Chicago.
Kubina had Hawks on his short list, that's old news.

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Kubina had Hawks on his short list, that's old news.
How do you know? From what I've read, he hadn't even submitted a list of accepted destinations before OKing a trade to Philly.

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