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02-14-2012, 09:54 PM
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That's a perfectly fine price to me for a #2 D who can play top pair at an allstar level.


I'm looking at the big picture and it is this:

1. McPhee's best D acquisition via trade was Wideman by far and it took him 14 years to pull off.

2. This team can't rely on Green to play a full season.

I'm all for trading Wideman if we have a capable replacement, but we don't and we've not shown the ability to get that guy but once in 14 years.
So basically, McPhee is incompetent, so commit to a radically flawed player.

Pass.

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02-14-2012, 09:58 PM
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So basically, McPhee is incompetent, so commit to a radically flawed player.

Pass.
Show me some alternatives that the Caps would do.

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02-14-2012, 10:00 PM
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Radically is sarge....

Pair him with better defensive player (cough Suter) cough and he'll excel...

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I'd still rather keep Wideman at deadline unless you're blow away. And I don't mean first.

My primary goal would be to sign wides, see green healthy, and trade green for a much better killing in offseason. And if green proves unhealthy, you have wides.
First Strung believing that either Carlson or Orlov will be part of a trade.

Now you're recommending trading the better defenseman Mike Green and retaining the lesser, Dennis Wideman.

Only explanation in all of this is sun spots must be flaring up.

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02-14-2012, 10:01 PM
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Show me some alternatives that the Caps would do.
Do you want the lost of dmen McPhee has passed on in the past dozen years, the players who would be a wiser investment than Wideman or both?

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02-14-2012, 10:03 PM
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Do you want the lost of dmen McPhee has passed on in the past dozen years, the players who would be a wiser investment than Wideman or both?
I said alternatives....as in alternatives to Wideman being gone next season. It's easy to say pass with no plan to replace a key player.

You don't need to remind me of every great D that's been moved over the last 10 years that we never bothered even sniffing at.

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First Strung believing that either Carlson or Orlov will be part of a trade.

Now you're recommending trading the better defenseman Mike Green and retaining the lesser, Dennis Wideman.

Only explanation in all of this is sun spots must be flaring up.
Money + return + health is in favor of keeping wides (why I said blown away). I've seen the inability to breakout with all their forwards healthy. And I don't like it. RH pmd's are rare. If green is dead and we can have two of top 15... I'm happy.

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First Strung believing that either Carlson or Orlov will be part of a trade.

Now you're recommending trading the better defenseman Mike Green and retaining the lesser, Dennis Wideman.

Only explanation in all of this is sun spots must be flaring up.
Don't forget that Mike Green may be plagued by injury for the rest of his career - we have no way of knowing at this point and that's a large question mark when you're thinking about resigning a player to a high priced long-term contract. He may be Markov 2.0 and we'll be stuck in a similar situation to the Habs.

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02-14-2012, 10:13 PM
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I said alternatives....as in alternatives to Wideman being gone next season. It's easy to say pass with no plan to replace a key player.

You don't need to remind me of every great D that's been moved over the last 10 years that we never bothered even sniffing at.
I'd offer sheet Del Zotto or throw a kings ransom at Tyutin before I paid Wideman ufa money. I'm also 100% comfortable giving Suter Backstrom's contract.

Mitchell and Stuart are also available and should cost around $3.0. They represent the kind of veteran presence this d has craved since Tinordi left.


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02-14-2012, 10:17 PM
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I'd offer sheet Del Zotto or throw a kings ransom at Tyutin before I paid Wideman ufa money. I'm also 100% comfortable giving Suter Backstrom's contract.
And I don't want to get younger on d. And gmgm won't offer sheet.

Edit: 4.5 m for tyutin for 6+ years after this year.

Edit2: maybe u mean trade wrt tyutin

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Don't forget that Mike Green may be plagued by injury for the rest of his career - we have no way of knowing at this point and that's a large question mark when you're thinking about resigning a player to a high priced long-term contract. He may be Markov 2.0 and we'll be stuck in a similar situation to the Habs.
Well I'm confident that the sports hernia issue has been resolved with the recent surgery and the insertiion of the mesh wall to strengthen the involved area. Seeing Green's interview on WRC at 6:00 PM today, he was smiling and saying he was feeling real good. Yeah I have guarded optimism that he will return and be healthy.

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If a fourth PMD is absolutely required then you're doing it wrong.

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02-14-2012, 10:21 PM
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If a fourth PMD is absolutely required then you're doing it wrong.
Well 3 didn't cut it when we boasted Green, Jurcina and Eminger. The only logical takeaway is that you need 4.

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If a fourth PMD is absolutely required then you're doing it wrong.
4? Who's projecting 4? Unless you're counting hammer. To me he's avg puck mover. Adequate at it.

Edit: duh you include Suter.....

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02-14-2012, 10:30 PM
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I'd offer sheet Del Zotto or throw a kings ransom at Tyutin before I paid Wideman ufa money. I'm also 100% comfortable giving Suter Backstrom's contract.

Mitchell and Stuart are also available and should cost around $3.0. They represent the kind of veteran presence this d has craved since Tinordi left.
Mitchell already had the chance to come here, wants to be on the West coast. Stuart? I'll take Wideman over a inflated Stuart who looks bad at times in Detroit and would likely be badly exposed elsewhere. Hell Stuart doesn't even play the PP, so he's not someone who could replace Wideman/Green's role.

You know damn well McPhee isn't offer sheeting anyone just like he'll never make a serious offer for Suter or any other top dollar free agent.

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02-14-2012, 10:32 PM
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Mitchell picked LA over other suitors because of the multi-year offer, no?

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Mitchell already had the chance to come here, wants to be on the West coast. Stuart? I'll take Wideman over a inflated Stuart who looks bad at times in Detroit and would likely be badly exposed elsewhere. Hell Stuart doesn't even play the PP, so he's not someone who could replace Wideman/Green's role.

You know damn well McPhee isn't offer sheeting anyone just like he'll never make a serious offer for Suter or any other top dollar free agent.
I would still rather have Mitchell or Stuart for a year or two than Wideman for 4 @$5.

And I hope against hope that McPhee isn't here after April. There is no reason that he should be.

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Family on the west coast from what I read. Not sure about the specific west coast team and why he chose one over another.

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I would still rather have Mitchell or Stuart for a year or two than Wideman for 4 @$5.

And I hope against hope that McPhee isn't here after April. There is no reason that he should be.
And the mass tinkering just goes on and on and on...


No stability...just keep Ovy and a few others and rotate the rest. I guess that's what we're in for now...

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And the mass tinkering just goes on and on and on...


No stability...just keep Ovy and a few others and rotate the rest. I guess that's what we're in for now...
I'm actually ok with stopgaps on d for a bit. We have an excellent second pairing - a great one potentially. A young player who will outperform his contract for a while and great #6 depth. We need a 25 minute man to play with Green. Wideman is in no way that player.

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We need a 25 min man who can replace Green for long stretches at a time, not neccesarily with him. That's reality.

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We need a 25 min man who can replace Green for long stretches at a time, not neccesarily with him. That's reality.
I begrudgingly accept that Green is vital to our success. Given our performance with Wideman replacing him, he isn't that player either.

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I begrudgingly accept that Green is vital to our success. Given our performance with Wideman replacing him, he isn't that player either.
Wideman has more than capably filled in. If you're concerned about team performance, look no further than Carlson's pairing every night.

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Wideman has more than capably filled in. If you're concerned about team performance, look no further than Carlson's pairing every night.
We aren't going to agree.

Given the cap reality, though, do you really want to spend $5 million on Wideman at rd knowing when we have Green, Carlson and Orlov? I can't see it justified.

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If Green leaves, I think it would be ok to have Wideman if he takes a decent contract. I mean, it's not like he's untradeable.

Trouble is, I think Caps will keep Green and cross their fingers. Oh boy.. If so, Wideman should be dealt for max return.

Don't want two flawed PMDs on the roster, that's for sure. It'll be two inconsistent PMDs, three young guys prone to occasional bad spells, and a fairly expensive vet in Hamrlik whose expiration date is dangerously close. That's screwed up.

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