Want to temper expectations for this year but can't. Think he can come in and have an immediate impact tomorrow and that he won't be burnt out. Just get the feeling he's the type of kid who can come in late in the season get a week or two of practice and just go from jump. May not light the world on fire but I definitely think he can come in and use his physical abilities to play a simple game. D and positioning will likely need work but I'd bet he's prob better than a guy like Wolski at this point at that he seems like he's been real smart on the ice during BC's PK when i've seen him which indicates he can play positionally sound and contribute on both ends. Plus he's played with men already before so this isn't something he's completely unfamiliar with. Very excite!!! (Yea Borat)
Rangers obviously do too though they could always change their mind and not sign him for this year of course. But he's been talked about a LOT on Rangers broadcasts this year moreso than I remember any other prospect doing.
They could specify that the contract is for 3 years beginning on July 1st, 2012. He could then sign an ATO to play with the Whale for the remainder of this season.
This would imply that if the contract does not stipulate a later start date, should he play in a professional game (AHL or NHL) the contract would kick in, correct?
So presumably, as a player with the expectation of making a ton of money in the future, he would not want to play professionally without an NHL contract in place, making it highly unlikely that he would wait to sign with the Rangers until after they see him play in the AHL on an ATO. In my opinion, at least...
This would imply that if the contract does not stipulate a later start date, should he play in a professional game (AHL or NHL) the contract would kick in, correct?
So presumably, as a player with the expectation of making a ton of money in the future, he would not want to play professionally without an NHL contract in place, making it highly unlikely that he would wait to sign with the Rangers until after they see him play in the AHL on an ATO. In my opinion, at least...
his contract only goes into effect if he plays in the nhl. signed or not he would be on a ATO or PTO deal in the ahl that doesn't effect his nhl contract...and there is a rookie cap so he isn't gonna earn more $$ by playing in the ahl first.
its the same thing every year when guys join the ahl club after their junior years...mcilrath and miller already have contracts with the rangers and they will also get PTOs when joining the whale
During Monday’s post-deadline press briefing, Sather alluded to the possibility of adding Kreider this season in referring to, “people who are probably going to turn pro at the end of the school year.”
The general manager went further during a conversation with The Post yesterday.
“Absolutely,” he said, when asked if he expects the 6-foot-3, 225-winger who presents an uncommon blend of size, speed, power and touch, to leave Boston College at the end of the season.
“Absolutely,” Sather repeated, when asked if he intends/expects to sign Kreider in time for him to play this season.
I made my last post before you posted this. Stepan is also a playmaker though.
It would be mostly for Richards to have a more dynamic offensive player than anything else.
Not a knock on Hagelin or Callahan. But Kreider has a high end release. It could benefit Richards.
Spread the scoring out.
Stepan-Gaborik
Kreider-Richards
Playmaker with a scorer.
But, again, one of the great things about this team is Tortorella can mix up the lines and the team functions all the same. Tight group of hard workers. I really love this team. Kreider is a great kid with a goof head on his shoulders and a lot of determination. He'd going to fit in very well with the team's makeup.
I doubt he comes at all this year . He wants to finish school and would lose all his credits this semester .
I also doubt he can play the defensive game necessary at this level right away , especially in the PO . Without knowing the reads a system in place while blazing up th wing he could probably make some kind of impact , from what I've seen if him in NCAA , his play away from the puck is not nearly engaged enough to the level that this team wants . Tortorella may cream over his raw ability but his defensive awareness will probably be his downfall . Professional players who have scored in th NHL had a hard time getting ice on the NYR , what makes anyone think CK can come in and play here .
He'll need time with the team and possibly AHL more than likely .
Putting him with BR might be great in theory offensively but at this point it's safe to say his ability to engage physically at a professional level , hit , compete for 50/50 pucks with PROFESSIONALS , and defend is a HUGE QUESTION MARK . I would be shocked if he gave up his precious degree , keg parties and hometown piece of ass to play in the minors this season .
That relies on Hartford sticking around in the playoffs long enough (though I don't know their schedule)
Like I said before I can see the Rangers bringing him in to practice with the team, start learning the system and get a taste, and have him there for depth if they really need him or he looks real good
Some of you need to lower your expectations. Do you honestly see him having a 90 point season? A 70 point one would be outstanding..
People were commenting on his potential, not expectations. Two very different things. What do most of us expect from Kreider? I don't speak for the rest of the board, but I think it would be fair to say that most of us expect a 55-65 point burner with 30ish goals. As for potential, 80-90 points is not ridiculous with his physical tools. Most players don't ever reach their potential. So, is Kreider likely to have a 90 point season? Of course not, but it's not ludicrous to think he could if everything were to break right for him.
I doubt he comes at all this year . He wants to finish school and would lose all his credits this semester .
I also doubt he can play the defensive game necessary at this level right away , especially in the PO . Without knowing the reads a system in place while blazing up th wing he could probably make some kind of impact , from what I've seen if him in NCAA , his play away from the puck is not nearly engaged enough to the level that this team wants . Tortorella may cream over his raw ability but his defensive awareness will probably be his downfall . Professional players who have scored in th NHL had a hard time getting ice on the NYR , what makes anyone think CK can come in and play here .
He'll need time with the team and possibly AHL more than likely .
Putting him with BR might be great in theory offensively but at this point it's safe to say his ability to engage physically at a professional level , hit , compete for 50/50 pucks with PROFESSIONALS , and defend is a HUGE QUESTION MARK . I would be shocked if he gave up his precious degree , keg parties and hometown piece of ass to play in the minors this season .
I would be shocked if he put those things ahead of his professional career, either in the AHL or NHL. He'd be an idiot.
People were commenting on his potential, not expectations. Two very different things. What do most of us expect from Kreider? I don't speak for the rest of the board, but I think it would be fair to say that most of us expect a 55-65 point burner with 30ish goals. As for potential, 80-90 points is not ridiculous with his physical tools. Most players don't ever reach their potential. So, is Kreider likely to have a 90 point season? Of course not, but it's not ludicrous to think he could if everything were to break right for him.
seriously! I guess that's why Columbus wanted him for Nash, since Nash never has gotten 90 points!
I would be shocked if he gave up his precious degree , keg parties and hometown piece of ass to play in the minors this season .
You have no idea what you are talking about, and are embarassing yourself.
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Tony Amonte and Doug Weight left school and played in the playoffs. It was in 1991. 21 years ago. Richter was playing in the minors when he played in game 4 against Pittsburgh. Hockey has become such a big business that teams don't want to lose a year off the contract by playing the player for a few games. The 1995 CBA brought the entry level system into the NHL.
Tomorrow is the first day teams are allowed to sign players without the contract counting for this season.
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50.8 Prohibited SPC Terms and Practices.
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(d) No Club or Player may enter into an SPC that does not cover at least the
then-current League Year. The foregoing does not apply to an SPC entered into pursuant
to Section 50.5(f) above, or to Unsigned Draft Choices or Draft Related Unrestricted Free
Agents, who shall be permitted to sign an SPC during the period from March 1 through
June 1 immediately preceding the League Year in which such SPC is to take effect.
If Sather is making such a strong statement i would assume that they have some kind of verbal agreement between him and Kreider. If it is true and Kreider will be signed and start this season for the big club it either will be a big success or a huge dissapointment. The guy should be made from ice and have super skills in order for him to come straight from college and in to the NHL playoffs. It will also be a miracle if he thown in and immediately adapts to the Torts system.
The Rangers don't need to lose a season off the ELC for Kreider to play in the AHL playoffs.
They don't need to do that. Kreider can sign an ELC and ATO to play in the AHL. The NHL SPC won't start until 12-13. Just like Hagelin. He signed an ELC. The Rangers didn't lose a year. He played in AHL under an ATO.
During one of the MSG Traverse City broadcasts,Gordie Clark said Kreider will turn pro after his junior year. When the Rangers played in Boston,Sam Rosen said Kreider is expected to leave school.
The financial incentive is there. Kreider becomes a group II free agent faster when he plays this season.
Kreider is taking a class this semester which is required for him to graduate. Gods and Heroes.
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SL 262 Gods and Heroes in Chinese Literature (in translation) (Spring: 3)
Satisfies Cultural Diversity Core Requirement
Offered Periodically
All readings in English translation.
An examination, through illustrative readings in East Asian masterworks and through an accompanying analysis, of heroic and divine dimensions in the literary traditions of the major East Asian cultures and how the Far East understands the Divine and the Human, as well as how these interact on the battlefield, in the rise and fall of governments, and in the tensions between individual and society.
Sing-chen Lydia Chiang
Tony Amonte and Doug Weight left school and played in the playoffs. It was in 1991. 21 years ago. Richter was playing in the minors when he played in game 4 against Pittsburgh. Hockey has become such a big business that teams don't want to lose a year off the contract by playing the player for a few games. The 1995 CBA brought the entry level system into the NHL.
Tomorrow is the first day teams are allowed to sign players without the contract counting for this season.
It might not be prudent, but something tells me that Sather isn't that worried about losing the year off the contract. If I truly believed that the kid was ready to step into the lineup and make an immediate and significant impact, I wouldn't be either.
Kreider did make this comment to Jim Cerny on 9/7 after he skated with the Rangers players
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“I hope I get to the NHL and play with these guys sooner rather than later. I’d really like to be at this level. It’s something you dream about as a kid. But right now I want them to know my commitment is there.”
“I just want to win games,” said Kreider. “If I focus on that, everything else will fall into place. My only goal is to play at a level that will help us win games.”
It might not be prudent, but something tells me that Sather isn't that worried about losing the year off the contract. If I truly believed that the kid was ready to step into the lineup and make an immediate and significant impact, I wouldn't be either.
The Rangers feel Kreider can help them this season. They will play him.
Entirely possible that the likely addition of Kreider late in the season was a key factor in them staying out of the trade market on deadline day. They may have felt he would be a better addition than any other player available (save for Nash, obviously), and he would be added for free.
