Another garbage game from him yesterday. Yea his linemates suck but he doesn't do much to to create his own unless hes given the puck in stride in the neutral zone.
Cept for some flashes of potential, he has been pretty bad since the winter break.
And people really think he can pop right into the NHL this season and be a difference? There are half a dozen players on his team playing better then him.
Great shot, great speed but a ton of work left to be done. The AHL should really help him next year once he's out of Yorks system.
The Rangers really think he can contribute this season. Gordie Clark has a pretty good track record. I respect his opinion more than someone on a message board. I've read the various opinions on players on these boards over the years and those players weren't ready for the NHL either.
The Rangers really think he can contribute this season. Gordie Clark has a pretty good track record. I respect his opinion more than someone on a message board. I've read the various opinions on players on these boards over the years and those players weren't ready for the NHL either.
Understandably so, but Clark is also not infallible. For example, according to Clark, Erixon was going to step in as a top 4 NHL defenseman this year. Obviously he's not ready for that yet.
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For us, it’s a ready-made player — you don’t have to wait to see how he turns out,” Clark told Newsday in discussing Erixon, 20, the son of former Ranger Jan Erixon. “We know right now he’s a top-four D-man. He’s played with men for three years. He’s ready to step in right now.”
Understandably so, but Clark is also not infallible. For example, according to Clark, Erixon was going to step in as a top 4 NHL defenseman this year. Obviously he's not ready for that yet.
Exactly. Kreider has also been his pride and joy since drafting him. I wouldn't expect him to say anything but praise about him so his opions he gives to the public shouldnt be considered unbiased.
Understandably so, but Clark is also not infallible. For example, according to Clark, Erixon was going to step in as a top 4 NHL defenseman this year. Obviously he's not ready for that yet.
The season is not over yet so both Kreider and Erixon could still make a difference. Just because Erixon was best suited to spend more minutes playing top pair for the Whale does not exclude him from being a top 4 pairing defense man for the Rangers. The Rangers are much deeper in top 4 defense man then they are in top 6 forwards so that is comparing apples to oranges.
It's not an exact science projecting these prospects but at this point both can potentially be difference makers in the very near future.
We will see who is right in the near future but saying Clark is wrong about either of these players is not only short sighted but misguided. I like where our prospect pool is right now.
The season is not over yet so both Kreider and Erixon could still make a difference. Just because Erixon was best suited to spend more minutes playing top pair for the Whale does not exclude him from being a top 4 pairing defense man for the Rangers. The Rangers are much deeper in top 4 defense man then they are in top 6 forwards so that is comparing apples to oranges.
It's not an exact science projecting these prospects but at this point both can potentially be difference makers in the very near future.
We will see who is right in the near future but saying Clark is wrong about either of these players is not only short sighted but misguided. I like where our prospect pool is right now.
go rangers!
Erixon still projects to be a top-4 d-man in the NHL, the point is that Clark was speaking about Erixon in the off-season like he was a lock to step right into the NHL and play his game in that role, however we saw from Erixon's play that he wasn't ready to do that and still needed time to adjust to the speed and physicality of the NHL.
The season is not over yet so both Kreider and Erixon could still make a difference. Just because Erixon was best suited to spend more minutes playing top pair for the Whale does not exclude him from being a top 4 pairing defense man for the Rangers. The Rangers are much deeper in top 4 defense man then they are in top 6 forwards so that is comparing apples to oranges.
It's not an exact science projecting these prospects but at this point both can potentially be difference makers in the very near future.
We will see who is right in the near future but saying Clark is wrong about either of these players is not only short sighted but misguided. I like where our prospect pool is right now.
go rangers!
Clark said Erixon would be a top 4 defenseman right now. I don't understand how you could say Clark was right about that. Just like the analysis of Kreider for purposes of this discussion is how he would do right now. That's not to discount their value as prospects and their long-term potential, but that is a different discussion.
Clark said Erixon would be a top 4 defenseman right now. I don't understand how you could say Clark was right about that. Just like the analysis of Kreider for purposes of this discussion is how he would do right now. That's not to discount their value as prospects and their long-term potential, but that is a different discussion.
If we didn't see such great improvements from McD and DZ, I'd say there would be a pretty good chance Erixon is playing top-4 minutes for us. Who would you slot Erixon over? Not McD or DZ. It's not Clark's fault that McD and DZ improved so dramatically.
Clark said Erixon would be a top 4 defenseman right now. I don't understand how you could say Clark was right about that. Just like the analysis of Kreider for purposes of this discussion is how he would do right now. That's not to discount their value as prospects and their long-term potential, but that is a different discussion.
Please read my entire post.
The Rangers team is much deeper on defense then at forward. On more then half the teams in the NHL right now he would be a top 4 pairing defense man.
Before this season started no one could say:
1. Del Zotto was going to have a rebound season.
2. When Staal would return from concussion
3. if Sauer could stay healthy.
4. Would McDonagh have a sophomore slump.
5. not to mention Girardi having a Norris type season.
So to bring up Erixon in a discussion when talking about Kreider is off topic because we lack true top 6 forward depth.
I'm of the opinion that when Erixon was brought in it made MDZ expendable...until MDZ decided to play like a champ that is. I think that has a lot to do with the fact that we haven't seen Erixon in New York on a regular basis this season...
The Rangers team is much deeper on defense then at forward. On more then half the teams in the NHL right now he would be a top 4 pairing defense man.
Before this season started no one could say:
1. Del Zotto was going to have a rebound season.
2. When Staal would return from concussion
3. if Sauer could stay healthy.
4. Would McDonagh have a sophomore slump.
5. not to mention Girardi having a Norris type season.
So to bring up Erixon in a discussion when talking about Kreider is off topic because we lack true top 6 forward depth.
Go Rangers!
You are labeling this a depth issue... Did you watch Erixon play when he was up with the Rangers? He was not ready yet to play and perform like a Top-4 d-man on ANY NHL team... He simply wasn't ready. If anyone watched the Traverse City Tournament that was televised on MSG, that's Erixon at work playing his game. Once he was playing against NHL talent, he was scrambling around in his own zone, just trying to survive his shifts, but certainly not playing his game, which involves transitioning the puck through the neutral zone, making solid outlet passes, and providing some offense from the blueline in the offensive zone.
That's what AZRock is talking about. Erixon wasn't ready to play his game and perform well in the NHL from the get-go, but Clark and NYR management, and some outside hockey analysts, were pretty much labeling him a lock to be able to step-in and play well.... It had nothing to do with the Rangers depth as they utilized him as a top-4 d-man with Del Zotto for 7 or 8 games and it was pretty clear that Erixon, for the moment, was above his head.
I think he'll be a good d-man in this league but it's pretty obvious after he went through the process, that he was not ready to step in right away and be a contributor. Needed AHL seasoning and there's nothing wrong with that.
You are labeling this a depth issue... Did you watch Erixon play when he was up with the Rangers? He was not ready yet to play and perform like a Top-4 d-man on ANY NHL team... He simply wasn't ready. If anyone watched the Traverse City Tournament that was televised on MSG, that's Erixon at work playing his game. Once he was playing against NHL talent, he was scrambling around in his own zone, just trying to survive his shifts, but certainly not playing his game, which involves transitioning the puck through the neutral zone, making solid outlet passes, and providing some offense from the blueline in the offensive zone.
That's what AZRock is talking about. Erixon wasn't ready to play his game and perform well in the NHL from the get-go, but Clark and NYR management, and some outside hockey analysts, were pretty much labeling him a lock to be able to step-in and play well.... It had nothing to do with the Rangers depth as they utilized him as a top-4 d-man with Del Zotto for 7 or 8 games and it was pretty clear that Erixon, for the moment, was above his head.
I think he'll be a good d-man in this league but it's pretty obvious after he went through the process, that he was not ready to step in right away and be a contributor. Needed AHL seasoning and there's nothing wrong with that.
I appreciate your reply.
I can say for sure that neither of us has seen him play on the Rangers team recently so this assessment you give is probably out dated. I tend to like what the Rangers do with their player development the last few years. Many would have said Cam Fowler should have had some seasoning but was trial by fire and is on an NHL roster. Fowler has been horrendous. imo
Again, he brought up a Clarks' assessment of Erixon (defenseman) to support his argument why Kreider (a forward) is not ready to make the jump to the NHL.
No one can deny Kreider has got speed and can play the game.
The answer to your question: I try to watch as many games as possible but not nearly enough. I seen him play and he didn't look that far off and would have probably landed a top 4 roll on many teams and a top 6 roll on just about any team right out of the gate this season.
I can say for sure that neither of us has seen him play on the Rangers team recently so this assessment you give is probably out dated. I tend to like what the Rangers do with their player development the last few years. Many would have said Cam Fowler should have had some seasoning but was trial by fire and is on an NHL roster. Fowler has been horrendous. imo
Again, he brought up a Clarks' assessment of Erixon (defenseman) to support his argument why Kreider (a forward) is not ready to make the jump to the NHL.
No one can deny Kreider has got speed and can play the game.
The answer to your question: I try to watch as many games as possible but not nearly enough. I seen him play and he didn't look that far off and would have probably landed a top 4 roll on many teams and a top 6 roll on just about any team right out of the gate this season.
Go Rangers!
Gotcha.... My take on the other posters comment was not that Erixon's experience will dictate what happens with Kreider, but it was an example of how at times, NYR Management may be a bit off with their assessment or forecast for certain prospects. As per example. Gordie Clark a couple years ago during the summer was raving about Evgeny Grachev's talents and skillset after his phenomenal season with the OHL Brampton Battalion, then Grachev advances to the Pro's (AHL) and never found his game at the Pro level and sputtered and we eventually parted ways with him and he doesn't appear to have done much better with the St. Louis organization this season.
In Erixon's case yeah, he could probably learn on the fly at the NHL level, and slowly improve his game, but NYR current defensive depth allows the organization the luxury to skate Erixon in the AHL where he'll be better served to develop his confidence and slowly transition his game from the larger european ice surface to the smaller NA ice surface and more physical style play in the corners.
Nonetheless, I think both Erixon & Kreider will be contributors at the NHL level when their time comes.
You're honestly looking at this roster and most concerned about Kreider providing fighting?
id rather have a complete player than has a player who can only score and doesnt play a complete game....if he can turn into a Corey Perry/Bobby Ryan/David Backes type player i wouldnt mind. heck they all fight from time to time.. heck Brendan Shannahan fought alot...he was a great player..i dont want another 6'3 player that doesnt play physical and doesnt go into the dirty areas to score goals.
id rather have a complete player than has a player who can only score and doesnt play a complete game....if he can turn into a Corey Perry/Bobby Ryan/David Backes type player i wouldnt mind. heck they all fight from time to time.. heck Brendan Shannahan fought alot...he was a great player..i dont want another 6'3 player that doesnt play physical and doesnt go into the dirty areas to score goals.
There's a difference between not fighting and not being a complete player. Callahan doesn't fight. Is he not a complete player?
There's a difference between not fighting and not being a complete player. Callahan doesn't fight. Is he not a complete player?
so Callahan doesnt fight...thats 5 right there...Callahan has 10 fights in his NHL career..okay he may not fight like Dubinsky or Rupp does but at least he is always willing...rather have a player like that than a player who will skate away
I'll be shocked if Kreider fights at all in his NHL career.
Just does not seem like the type.
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so Callahan doesnt fight...thats 5 right there...Callahan has 10 fights in his NHL career..okay he may not fight like Dubinsky or Rupp does but at least he is always willing...rather have a player like that than a player who will skate away
No need to be literal. Callahan doesn't fight. 10 fights in 5 seasons doesn't make one a fighter.
If we didn't see such great improvements from McD and DZ, I'd say there would be a pretty good chance Erixon is playing top-4 minutes for us. Who would you slot Erixon over? Not McD or DZ. It's not Clark's fault that McD and DZ improved so dramatically.
Completely agree that the improvement of mcd and mdz refinding his game and improving played a big role in being able to let erixon play the year in the ahl. But that only explains it to a certain extent cause we were without staal 1/2 the year, without sauer 1/2 the year and not to mention the 3rd pair minutes. If erixon was ready there was places to fit him on the roster
id rather have a complete player than has a player who can only score and doesnt play a complete game....if he can turn into a Corey Perry/Bobby Ryan/David Backes type player i wouldnt mind. heck they all fight from time to time.. heck Brendan Shannahan fought alot...he was a great player..i dont want another 6'3 player that doesnt play physical and doesnt go into the dirty areas to score goals.
I don't know how you went from not fighting to assuming he won't be a physical player.
Callahan is a very physical player, but he's not really a fighter.
hes not really a fighter but at least he sticks up for teammates. isnt that what leaders suppose to do
Yes... not disagreeing with you with regards to Callahan, but you somehow went from Kreider's fighting ability, or lack thereof, and assumed he won't be a physical player.
