To everyone wanting to rush Silfv to the Sens, this year has a been an I Told You So season showing us hes knows where he is at as a hockey player. So excited to see him next year.
So excited for Silfverberg to get to this side of the pond. He is one of those prospects that you envision becoming an elite talent and a core part of the team going forward.
Looks like the Senators could soon have a stud Swedish player at every position with Karlsson, Lehner and Silfverberg.
So excited for Silfverberg to get to this side of the pond. He is one of those prospects that you envision becoming an elite talent and a core part of the team going forward.
Looks like the Senators could soon have a stud Swedish player at every position with Karlsson, Lehner and Silfverberg.
That's different than outright saying he won't be elite.
Perhaps elite was a bit of an overstatement, but hey, scoring at a 40 goal pace in the SEL IS a sign of elite scoring ability. The only question is if it translates in the NHL.
Perhaps elite was a bit of an overstatement, but hey, scoring at a 40 goal pace in the SEL IS a sign of elite scoring ability. The only question is if it translates in the NHL.
I don't expect him to be elite in the slightest, but I can't say with 100% certainty that he won't be. That's pretty much all I meant.
No way. Like N Bahn Ahden said it's a huge jump from the WHL to the NHL. Aside from that, dropping Condra and Daugavins, two of out better PK guys would be a mistake, who plays the PK in your lineup? I'm all for giving Zbad a look in Binghamton or a practice but don't pencil him in just yet.
Besides, that would be a huge slap in the face to guys like Condra, Daugavins and Butler who (while they have struggled a bit lately) have played hard for us all season.
1) Sdao's season is done? Ink him up Murray, lets get him down in Binghamton.
2) Has anyone seen Costello play this year?
3) You forgot Andrej Sustr on Nebraska-Omaha.
No way. Like N Bahn Ahden said it's a huge jump from the WHL to the NHL. Aside from that, dropping Condra and Daugavins, two of out better PK guys would be a mistake, who plays the PK in your lineup? I'm all for giving Zbad a look in Binghamton or a practice but don't pencil him in just yet.
Besides, that would be a huge slap in the face to guys like Condra, Daugavins and Butler who (while they have struggled a bit lately) have played hard for us all season.
Why do we insist on robbing kids of their education?
It's funny how most are writing off Daugavins, Butler & Condra even though Condra & Butler have another yr on their contracts. I have as well & am hoping that Murray is able to deal one or both & not re-sign Daugavins. Rather than Stone & Zibanejad I would rather that Hoffman & Dzuirzynski get a shot at some point this yr.
So far I'm quite happy with Klinhkhammer in the lineup, he brings some good size to that 2nd line. He is clearly ahead of Petersson on the depth chart as is Hoffman IMO. There are numerous guys in this lineup that could play on the PK. I think that both Hoffman & Klinkhammer are going to give Silfverberg a good challenge for a LW spot next yr.
Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Klinkhammer - Turris - Alfredsson
Hoffman - Smith - Dzuirzynski
Foligno - O'Brien - Neil
Besides, that would be a huge slap in the face to guys like Condra, Daugavins and Butler who (while they have struggled a bit lately) have played hard for us all season.
This is a business, and it's the greatest league in the world. I respect how hard daug and condra hustle, but daug is a fringe nhler who is below average at everything besides the pk. Same goes with condra, though he is a little better. Smith, Neil, Foligno, Alfie, Michalek, Greening, etc. are all capable of playing pk and are hardly a downgrade to the previous two, ass they all at least add something other than average pk ability.
It's funny how most are writing off Daugavins, Butler & Condra even though Condra & Butler have another yr on their contracts. I have as well & am hoping that Murray is able to deal one or both & not re-sign Daugavins. Rather than Stone & Zibanejad I would rather that Hoffman & Dzuirzynski get a shot at some point this yr.
So far I'm quite happy with Klinhkhammer in the lineup, he brings some good size to that 2nd line. He is clearly ahead of Petersson on the depth chart as is Hoffman IMO. There are numerous guys in this lineup that could play on the PK. I think that both Hoffman & Klinkhammer are going to give Silfverberg a good challenge for a LW spot next yr.
Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Klinkhammer - Turris - Alfredsson
Hoffman - Smith - Dzuirzynski
Foligno - O'Brien - Neil
I do think we tend to rush players on paper into prominent roles, without paying their dues. But Silfverberg will play for the Sens next year, you can pretty much bank on it. Dorion went as far as saying last year he'd be playing for the Sens NOW if he were in North America, let alone next year. I doubt he ever sees the town of Binghampton in his life.
That said, it doesn't mean he will be assured a top 6 spot. He could actually play on our 3rd line next year, in that spot you have Hoffman in. But I think he will really have to stuggle to get sent down and will get an exceptionally long look. Unlike a d-man, as long as he is working hard, we can live through a few of his growing pains in the first 20 games. Doesn't mean he won't be sent to Bingo. But I wouldn't bet on it.
Combine that with the fact we have a pretty pitiful left side in terms of goal scorers, and it makes it all the more compelling to keep him here. I think he'll be in the top 6 from day 1, and while he might bounce around, will play the full season next year with the Sens. I think he'll pot us 20 goals (he'll get some PP time for sure) and fit in reasonably well as the season progresses.
A bit surprised to see you think Dziurzynski in our top 9. He barely cracked Bingo's top 9, and I see him needing a few more seasons before knocking on the NHL door. At least guys like O'Brien and Daugavins have put in their time and shown they can score 20 goals at the AHL level. I do like his grit though.
I think Hoffman and Petersson will start in Bingo next year as well, but will see more time back and forth next year as they are slowly moved into our line-up over the next few years, presuming they both continue to progress. But there is definitely going to be a lot more competition on the wing in the next few years. Something's gotta give, unless our prospects really stagnate in development.
I do think we tend to rush players on paper into prominent roles, without paying their dues. But Silfverberg will play for the Sens next year, you can pretty much bank on it. Dorion went as far as saying last year he'd be playing for the Sens NOW if he were in North America, let alone next year. I doubt he ever sees the town of Binghampton in his life.
That said, it doesn't mean he will be assured a top 6 spot. He could actually play on our 3rd line next year, in that spot you have Hoffman in. But I think he will really have to stuggle to get sent down and will get an exceptionally long look. Unlike a d-man, as long as he is working hard, we can live through a few of his growing pains in the first 20 games. Doesn't mean he won't be sent to Bingo. But I wouldn't bet on it.
Combine that with the fact we have a pretty pitiful left side in terms of goal scorers, and it makes it all the more compelling to keep him here. I think he'll be in the top 6 from day 1, and while he might bounce around, will play the full season next year with the Sens. I think he'll pot us 20 goals (he'll get some PP time for sure) and fit in reasonably well as the season progresses.
A bit surprised to see you think Dziurzynski in our top 9. He barely cracked Bingo's top 9, and I see him needing a few more seasons before knocking on the NHL door. At least guys like O'Brien and Daugavins have put in their time and shown they can score 20 goals at the AHL level. I do like his grit though.
I think Hoffman and Petersson will start in Bingo next year as well, but will see more time back and forth next year as they are slowly moved into our line-up over the next few years, presuming they both continue to progress. But there is definitely going to be a lot more competition on the wing in the next few years. Something's gotta give, unless our prospects really stagnate in development.
And IMO Petersson will either play in NHL or in Europe but not in AHL.
I do think we tend to rush players on paper into prominent roles, without paying their dues. But Silfverberg will play for the Sens next year, you can pretty much bank on it. Dorion went as far as saying last year he'd be playing for the Sens NOW if he were in North America, let alone next year. I doubt he ever sees the town of Binghampton in his life.
That said, it doesn't mean he will be assured a top 6 spot. He could actually play on our 3rd line next year, in that spot you have Hoffman in. But I think he will really have to stuggle to get sent down and will get an exceptionally long look. Unlike a d-man, as long as he is working hard, we can live through a few of his growing pains in the first 20 games. Doesn't mean he won't be sent to Bingo. But I wouldn't bet on it.
Combine that with the fact we have a pretty pitiful left side in terms of goal scorers, and it makes it all the more compelling to keep him here. I think he'll be in the top 6 from day 1, and while he might bounce around, will play the full season next year with the Sens. I think he'll pot us 20 goals (he'll get some PP time for sure) and fit in reasonably well as the season progresses.
A bit surprised to see you think Dziurzynski in our top 9. He barely cracked Bingo's top 9, and I see him needing a few more seasons before knocking on the NHL door. At least guys like O'Brien and Daugavins have put in their time and shown they can score 20 goals at the AHL level. I do like his grit though.
I think Hoffman and Petersson will start in Bingo next year as well, but will see more time back and forth next year as they are slowly moved into our line-up over the next few years, presuming they both continue to progress. But there is definitely going to be a lot more competition on the wing in the next few years. Something's gotta give, unless our prospects really stagnate in development.
Sorry, I should have clarified I was talking about the playoffs this yr not next yr's lineup. But since we are on this subject let me say that you can't bank on anything. Many here said the same thing about Filatov & Rundblad & they are both gone. We haven't seen Silfverberg play in the NHL & IMO whatever he did in the SEL is nice but not really relevant since it's a different game on a bigger rink. Silfverberg to the dismay of many could even be traded for a significant upgrade, it's possible.
I think that Hoffman will give Silfverberg a challenge for a LW spot. He leads Bingo in scoring & has looked pretty good in the times he was in Ottawa's lineup. I only had DD in the top 9 for the playoffs instead of Condra but IMO his long term projection would likely be at LW on the 4th line. Playing a team like Boston in a 7 game series I would prefer DD to Condra since he brings more size, grit & toughness & can play all three forward positions as well as the PK.
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Originally Posted by mt-svk
And IMO Petersson will either play in NHL or in Europe but not in AHL.
I don't see Petersson in the NHL at all & more likely back in the SEL especially if Alfredsson returns for another season. I think that Klinkhammer, Hoffman & Da Costa are all ahead of Petersson, then next yr Stone could be ahead of him. I just don`t see a future for him in Ottawa, he`s too small for the NHL. Maybe, if he was leading the AHL in scoring or top 10 but he isn`t even leading Bingo in scoring.
Sorry, I should have clarified I was talking about the playoffs this yr not next yr's lineup. But since we are on this subject let me say that you can't bank on anything. Many here said the same thing about Filatov & Rundblad & they are both gone. We haven't seen Silfverberg play in the NHL & IMO whatever he did in the SEL is nice but not really relevant since it's a different game on a bigger rink. Silfverberg to the dismay of many could even be traded for a significant upgrade, it's possible.
I think that Hoffman will give Silfverberg a challenge for a LW spot. He leads Bingo in scoring & has looked pretty good in the times he was in Ottawa's lineup. I only had DD in the top 9 for the playoffs instead of Condra but IMO his long term projection would likely be at LW on the 4th line. Playing a team like Boston in a 7 game series I would prefer DD to Condra since he brings more size, grit & toughness & can play all three forward positions as well as the PK.
Funny thing is, I remember getting attacked on these boards in the summer for suggesting Cowen would make the Sens, and Rundblad would see time in Bingo. I think there were many of us who didn't think it would be an easy transition for a player like Rundblad, no more than it was for Karlsson, frankly.
And clearly I'm not banking on it, even if Dorion and the rest of Sens brass seem to be. But given they decide whether to send him down or not, clearly they are ready to give him an extra long look. And it is different for forwards coming over, because you can afford them some time to figure it out.
I do think Hoffman is a wild card. In particular given his play in the last month or so. I alos think he should be a candidate to jump in under certain circumstances come playoff time, especially if we're having trouble scoring.
I'm not sure I understand the hate on for Condra on these boards. His strip of the puck and set-up for Zack Smith last night was just another example of earning every point he gets. I frankly think he has been better this year than Greening in many ways, and probably is a better fit long-term in our line-up. He is better defensively and seems to be more creative in creating chances for his linemates and himself. I like Greening, but i don't think he's a top 6 guy, and think he will be an average bottom 6 guy long-term. I have no problem with him on our checking line, but he really doesn't hit guys that often and when he is physical, it seems rather forced. Either way, I see Condra as a guy combined with Smith and Neil that might cause some havoc and heavy frustration for the opposition come playoffs.
