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02-14-2012, 06:11 PM
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Quite a lot to pay for a potential rental. You do realize that Ryan Getzlaf will be a UFA come July 1, 2013 along with team mate Corey Perry. What if you make such a trade and then Getzlaf opts to not sign with the Caps. We gave Carlson and a first for a rental.

I'd just as soon wait and be patient and see if such players can be pursued via free agency.
If anything I think the Ducks think that's an underpayment.

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Convince them that their problem is a lack of character guys like Laich.
Can we trade Clark again?

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Again, it could just be a location thing. At least one of their pro scouts is from and based out of that area IIRC. But the repeated viewings coupled with CBJ's Asst. GM being in DC yesterday makes you think. They could have been scouting San Jose in the event of a Nash trade I suppose but there is a pretty strong fit to be had between the Caps and one of their many non-rental centers.

The problem McPhee faces is if he wants to do something early is he's probably going to have to be aggressive and perhaps make it an actual hockey trade. Aside from the potential for injuries and maybe saving some $$$, there's not much incentive in selling early.

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I don't have the problem with Caps trading Orlov or Carlson for a long term solution at 2C or top vet D. I wouldn't trade them for anybody that can potentially be a rental, i.e. if the team doesn't allow you to talk with a UFA-to-be, and you can't come to an agreement about a long term contract.

As far as who's gonna be better (Carlson or Orlov), who knows.. I suspect most teams would ask for Calrson, anyway, as a more "safe" North American quantity, lol.

Package deal to Columbus: Laich, Ward, Knuble. Veteran leadership and hustle!! The problem is, I haven't seen CBJ play for a while, so the only player I think I'd like from them is Tyutin, assuming he hasn't regressed. Not sure about Vermette, don't want Nash, Carter seems like a huge risk. Bah..

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02-14-2012, 06:31 PM
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Again, it could just be a location thing. At least one of their pro scouts is from and based out of that area IIRC. But the repeated viewings coupled with CBJ's Asst. GM being in DC yesterday makes you think. They could have been scouting San Jose in the event of a Nash trade I suppose but there is a pretty strong fit to be had between the Caps and one of their many non-rental centers.

The problem McPhee faces is if he wants to do something early is he's probably going to have to be aggressive and perhaps make it an actual hockey trade. Aside from the potential for injuries and maybe saving some $$$, there's not much incentive in selling early.
It's not about Nash. What other teams would be looking at the Jacket centermen. BTW, with Mason's troubles I have to believe that a goalie would be in the mix for what they would be looking at. Just can't see GMGM interested in Carter due to the contract length.

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One thing we dont talk enough about is how Boudreau wasted/ruined Eric Fehr. That kid could have been the second coming of Knuble if he had been groomed correctly. And as bad as most of McPhee's acquisitions were this past off-season, getting rid of Fehr was perhaps the worst move of them all.
by all evidence ive seen eric fehr was never motivated enough to excel. claude noel was very straight forward about his disappointment in fehr's compete level when it comes to his own ice time and role on the team. best i can tell this was the reason that boudreau scratched him.

fehr would not be the first gifted athlete that was just not dedicated enough to it to realize his potential.

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5 mill for carter isnt that bad. whats bad is the 12 years

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5 mill for carter isnt that bad. whats bad is the 12 years
Yeah when you see will be UFA 2022 it does get your attention.

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5 mill for carter isnt that bad. whats bad is the 12 years
We have needed a 2nd line center for 5 years

I just think its worth the gamble but I agree, 12 years is a lot but we finally can solve our center problem

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02-14-2012, 06:50 PM
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We have needed a 2nd line center for 5 years
And when he blows as a 2nd line center what do you do

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And when he blows as a 2nd line center what do you do
Nylander him untill he goes to the KHL

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No on Carter. I doubt he's the playmaker/2-way guy this team needs and the 12 years makes it way too risky. Getting rid of him will require CBJ to package in something else that they'd rather not part with.

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And when he blows as a 2nd line center what do you do
And what if he doesn't blow and and actually makes us better?

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Convince them that their problem is a lack of character guys like Laich.
Since Columbus seems to be the current topic of discussion, Umberger might address some of that problem.

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Great idea everyone, Lets get the Canadian Alex Semin on a 11 year deal

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On the main boards, Philly fans are talking about trading Carle. I've always liked his play. What do folks here think: Schultz + 1st?

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No on Carter. I doubt he's the playmaker/2-way guy this team needs and the 12 years makes it way too risky. Getting rid of him will require CBJ to package in something else that they'd rather not part with.
Kuznetsov feeding Carter could be a wonderful thing.

Just saying.

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Kuznetsov feeding Carter could be a wonderful thing.

Just saying.
But who's going to play any D on that line? Semin I guess.

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On the main boards, Philly fans are talking about trading Carle. I've always liked his play. What do folks here think: Schultz + 1st?
Check the Flyers page, seems what the Flyers fans say about Carle we say about Wideman.

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Check the Flyers page, seems what the Flyers fans say about Carle we say about Wideman.
I would have said Carle's better in his own zone, but maybe I'm wrong.

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I would not give up a 1st for Carle, especially since that 1st is likely going to be in the middle of the first round.

I'd love to land Getzlaf and would be willing to pay dearly but Carter would be a decent plan B depending on the price (not that GMGM is going to be willing to give up the assets to make either move in real life).

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02-14-2012, 07:21 PM
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As far as I can tell, this draft is proving to be Yakupov, Grigorenko (maybe), and that's it. I'd move either of our firsts for a proven player in a heartbeat.

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As far as I can tell, this draft is proving to be Yakupov, Grigorenko (maybe), and that's it. I'd move either of our firsts for a proven player in a heartbeat.
And that's it? Try again

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02-14-2012, 07:32 PM
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At this point, I see a trade for Carter as a shrewd decision (assuming it's MoJo + pick).

First, on Carter, you have a guy that was absolutely crushed when he thought he was signing to stay in Philly for the rest of career. He seemed to love it there and love the players he played with. He was moved to hockey hell, and just wasn't mature enough to be able to take it in stride. He got off to a bad start with the fans and media there, and it would take an absolute miracle for him to be able to turn it around in Columbus. He's still a good player, who most likely needs a change of scenery. The contract length and questions about ethic (that didn't seem to be a problem in Philly) has driven his value way down to a point where McPhee is willing to play. Sell high, buy low, and I think we can buy low for Carter getting great value out of the deal. I bet he would be stoked to come to Washington.

Second, this team just can't get it done right now and needs a jolt. They're trying hard, but just not getting the results. I'm seeing a lack of confidence in the team similar to massive losing streak under Bruce. Sometimes you can play as hard as you want, but you just can't catch a break (care to take another shot from center ice?). If management brings in help to the team, I think the boys respond to it and snap out of this funk - especially with Greener on his way back soon.

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If Carter was Russian he would have the worst reputation of all on HF.

He plays little defense isn't a big game player, poor attitude and his general performance is trending downward.

To top it all off he has 11 MORE YEARS on his contract.

How anyone could want him is beyond me

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