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02-13-2012, 09:11 PM
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"Intriguing turn"? What is that? They sign him longterm? Wow, what a surprise!
They don't sign him long term? How that could bode well for franchise?
What a stupid comment by Yost about nothing.

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"Intriguing turn"? What is that? They sign him longterm? Wow, what a surprise!
They don't sign him long term? How that could bode well for franchise?
What a stupid comment by Yost about nothing.
Long term = good for lower cap hit in future.
Short term = still RFA at end of contract, we get to gauge what he's worth in 3 years.

For him, big pay day for 3 years, 1-2 mil/yr more than he'd expect if he signed long term.

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I don't see the big deal. The guy will just be coming off his ELC. The Sens could technically offer him a 5% increase over his current contract of $875k (not including his past bonuses). They won't do that so as not to p!$$ him off but he has no real leverage for another 4 full years after this one.

The only way he gets big bucks long term is if he gives up UFA years but the Sens may not want to commit to a 5+ year contract just yet not knowing what will be in the new CBA. Lets just say the owners and GMs know better than we do what they will be trying to get. Suppose for example it affected parts of guaranteed contracts signed under the new CBA. They'd be crazy to sign a guy for 100% of his full salary if for example the new CBA only promised 100% of the 1st year and 66% or less after that. If something went sour a la Redden they'd be salary protected to some extent.

Whatever their decision they make you can be sure there will be some well calculated business decisions involved on both sides.

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just a hunch, but i think he gets the same contract as myers.

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02-13-2012, 10:18 PM
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Wow this could be really good news. We know Erik is already the face of this team and a future captain, future Norris winner potentially. Erik wants to play in Ottawa and lead this team back to the top. Lock him up for as long as possible. Would be thrilled if we forked over the cash to give him a M.Richards/Luongo/Zetterberg type deal where he's a Senator for the next decade at 75-80 million or so.

This is a contract we absolutely have to get right. At the very minimum we sign him to a 5 year deal and worry about re-upping him when he's really hit his prime.

Work some magic Murray, this one is key!

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So what does this mean "intriguing turn" ??? Murray lowballed EK an offer and now EK wants out???

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So what does this mean "intriguing turn" ??? Murray lowballed EK an offer and now EK wants out???
Intriguing turn being a short term 3 year deal instead of a long term one like most people expected. It's better for Karlsson to have the chance at another contract in 3 years because the cap may go up, and so will average salaries, so he can sign for a larger average amount in 3 years. i don't understand why you think Karlsson would want out of here though, unless you're trolling.

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02-13-2012, 11:37 PM
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This is of course assuming RFA rules don't change in the next CBA.

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So what does this mean "intriguing turn" ??? Murray lowballed EK an offer and now EK wants out???
WUT? How did you get that?

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A 3 year year deal would be interesting. 3 years 15 million?

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^ 3 years 150 million*

This is another part of that 3 year plan! SOMETHING IS GOING ON PEOPLE!

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The Sens wont' have any trouble meeting his demand, Karlsson is too marketable and too valuable in every facet for the organization.

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This is of course assuming RFA rules don't change in the next CBA.
I'd think (though I have no ground for this assumption) that contracts signed before the CBA expires would be exempt from new changes to RFA/UFA status as per the new CBA.

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Actually after the Carter and Richards trades, I wouldn't sign a long term contract while I was still a RFA either (if I was a big time star player), just in case the team ends up trading me away to a place like Columbus before my NTC kicked in.

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02-14-2012, 01:56 AM
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My guess 14 million/3 years just under 5 million a year.

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My guess 14 million/3 years just under 5 million a year.
Good luck. The idea is you pay more to keep him as an , not less.

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JUST SAY NO to LIFELONG CONTRACTS! Seriously, can anyone name ONE lifetime contract that as EVER worked out? Of all the ones that come to my mind, all of them turned out poorly in the end for one reason or another. Keep things six years or under please.

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02-14-2012, 05:51 AM
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I wonder if EK saw all the praise that Alfie has been getting this year and thought to himself "I'd love to be 'that guy' to the city in 15 years".

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Did any of you actually READ the post?



Karlsson is supposedly willing to take a short term to remain an RFA when his next contract expires.

That way Ottawa owns his rights and he can't just walk a la Chara. They pay him more now and he remains their property after said deal expires.

The contract after will be Karlsson's monster deal, no doubt.

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A 3 year deal would be perfect. Short enough to keep the kid hungry, and still a restricted agent afterwards.

I hope Murray takes this olive branch eagerly and doesn't nickel and dime him.

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The downside is the risk of being offer-sheeted next time round.

It would suck if we gave him 3 years at ~$7M per as a gesture of faith- only to have him walk or have to match a deal with a cap-hit ~$10 per.

Nothing that I've seen from Karlsson so far would indicate that he'd do that to Ottawa- but risks need to be managed.

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This is great to here. Come on Murray get this done.

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So who initially wanted a shorter term? Karlsson or Murray?

A "turn" would mean a shift from the initial direction of negotiations.

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So who initially wanted a shorter term? Karlsson or Murray?

A "turn" would mean a shift from the initial direction of negotiations.
Murray.

The turn would be part Murray beefing up the salary, and part Karlsson considering it.

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Karlsson is supposedly willing to take a short term to remain an RFA when his next contract expires.

That way Ottawa owns his rights and he can't just walk a la Chara. They pay him more now and he remains their property after said deal expires.

The contract after will be Karlsson's monster deal, no doubt.
Why should they pay him more now? His willingness to sign or not is no big deal. As a RFA the ball will not be in his court. What other option does he have? What could he do if he didn't sign the 1, 2 or 3 year offer from the Sens. Sit out like Turris did? I don't think so!

There is no reason that the Sens should overpay him to sign a 3 year contract since he's not giving up anything and he has no real bargaining power. They'll make a fair offer because they recognize his value to the team and they are a class act but it's not because they have to.

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