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02-14-2012, 02:06 AM
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To Hawks
C Eric Belanger (2 more years at 1.75M cap hit)

To Oilers
LW/RW Michael Frolik ( 2 more years at 2.33M cap hit)

Hawks get vet bottom 6 talent who can PK

Oilers get 23 yr old reclamation project who can use change of scenery as he doesn't fit into Hawks lineup system

Basically Hawks add vet/bottom 6 talent while Oilers grab a young struggling player to add to young core already in place and see if he takes off with change of scenery/system

Thoughts?

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02-14-2012, 03:13 AM
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Can't see it. Lots of Oiler fans hate Belanger, but he's a very good PKer, helluva face-off guy, and can take on tough opposition. And he's got a good contract based on what he's done over the past decade. He's having an off year, but he still brings a lot more of what we need than what Frolik does. If you want Belanger, we're probably starting with Hjalmarsson as a starting point. We'll talk Lander for Frolik.

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02-14-2012, 03:39 AM
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Can't see it. Lots of Oiler fans hate Belanger, but he's a very good PKer, helluva face-off guy, and can take on tough opposition. And he's got a good contract based on what he's done over the past decade. He's having an off year, but he still brings a lot more of what we need than what Frolik does. If you want Belanger, we're probably starting with Hjalmarsson as a starting point. We'll talk Lander for Frolik.
Why would we talk Lander for Frolik?

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02-14-2012, 04:34 AM
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Why would we talk Lander for Frolik?
Why not? Lander isn't untouchable. He's struggling big time and Frolik is too, but Frolik has higher potential upside, I'd say, so Why not talk? Ideally it would include a d-man or veteran winger coming to Edmonton and another piece going the other way.

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02-14-2012, 05:05 AM
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Why not? Lander isn't untouchable. He's struggling big time and Frolik is too, but Frolik has higher potential upside, I'd say, so Why not talk? Ideally it would include a d-man or veteran winger coming to Edmonton and another piece going the other way.
Excuse me? Lander struggling? He was drafted in 2009, he wasn't expected to make the team this year and he's been better than Horcoff and Belanger.

He's had a hell of a year.

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02-14-2012, 05:08 AM
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belanger is a good faceoffman but with the emergence of gagner, and horcoffs ntc he becomes expendible. the hawks are very deep on offense and might oversee someone like froliks potential. i would do this deal. and then i would fire renney. lander is a more than adequate 4th liner centerman. he has character which this team wants, and is something that belanger lacks in a leadership role.

faceoff win %=
belanger 56.8 %
omarra 56.1%
horcoff 49.3%
smyth 49 %
gagner 48.5%
green 43.2%
nugent-hopkins = suck

i dont mind trading him. the teams second last anyways. having a role player for a sepcialist in faceoffs like him is something a playoff team needs not a 2nd last place team.


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02-14-2012, 05:18 AM
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The Oilers were very happy to sign Belanger and consider him a core part of the rebuild. He may not be flashy but he is a pillar of the bottom 6.

The emergence of Gagner and Lander means Belanger can anchor the 3rd or 4th line and not be expected to score.

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02-14-2012, 06:24 AM
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Excuse me? Lander struggling? He was drafted in 2009, he wasn't expected to make the team this year and he's been better than Horcoff and Belanger.

He's had a hell of a year.
Do you even watch the games? You're singing Petrell's and now Lander's praises. At least Petrell scores at a rate that doesn't make him a liability as a 4th line forward in the NHL, more than I can say for Lander. Lander is getting a regular "at bat" and is hitting below the Mendoza line...badly, to use a baseball analogy. So even if Lander were playing stellar defense (he's not), his lack of production makes him a liability. But on top of that, he is outchanced at outshot at even strength, against mostly 4th line opposition, at about 2 chances and shots against, for every 1 chance or shot for. That's BAD, and when coupled with his inability to produce or win a face-off, it's bad to epic proportions. Just because he can be an adequate PKer doesn't negate everything he cannot do.

That said, his pedigree in Sweden, in a pretty damn good league, suggests to me that there is hope, and I've liked some flashes of his play in the NHL. So I think he remains a nice looking prospect, but he's far from a capable NHLer right now.

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02-14-2012, 06:39 AM
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02-14-2012, 07:14 AM
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Why not? Lander isn't untouchable. He's struggling big time and Frolik is too, but Frolik has higher potential upside, I'd say, so Why not talk? Ideally it would include a d-man or veteran winger coming to Edmonton and another piece going the other way.
How is Lander struggling. He is actually ahead of where I would have expected him to be.

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02-14-2012, 09:09 AM
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As an oiler fan I would listen to offers for Belanger from Chi for sure but would not have any real interest in Frolik.

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Excuse me? Lander struggling? He was drafted in 2009, he wasn't expected to make the team this year and he's been better than Horcoff and Belanger.

He's had a hell of a year.
Amen.

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Do the Oilers need yet another project? Seem to have enough.

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belanger is a good faceoffman but with the emergence of gagner, and horcoffs ntc he becomes expendible. the hawks are very deep on offense and might oversee someone like froliks potential. i would do this deal. and then i would fire renney. lander is a more than adequate 4th liner centerman. he has character which this team wants, and is something that belanger lacks in a leadership role.

faceoff win %=
belanger 56.8 %
omarra 56.1%
horcoff 49.3%
smyth 49 %
gagner 48.5%
green 43.2%
nugent-hopkins = suck

i dont mind trading him. the teams second last anyways. having a role player for a sepcialist in faceoffs like him is something a playoff team needs not a 2nd last place team.
Might not need him this year, but we sure will next year. Take Belanger out and you could see those Faceoff numbers dropping for the others. But I guess people forget what happened last time we dealt our faceoff men away.

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02-14-2012, 09:47 AM
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As an oiler fan I would listen to offers for Belanger from Chi for sure but would not have any real interest in Frolik.
I take Frolik if it means us getting a better pick back in a deal or something. The guy is a negative contract and unless we are dealing a few forwards we have no room for him.

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02-14-2012, 10:27 AM
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To Hawks
C Eric Belanger (2 more years at 1.75M cap hit)

To Oilers
LW/RW Michael Frolik ( 2 more years at 2.33M cap hit)

Hawks get vet bottom 6 talent who can PK

Oilers get 23 yr old reclamation project who can use change of scenery as he doesn't fit into Hawks lineup system

Basically Hawks add vet/bottom 6 talent while Oilers grab a young struggling player to add to young core already in place and see if he takes off with change of scenery/system

Thoughts?
the Oilers have enough young struggling players.

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How is Lander struggling. He is actually ahead of where I would have expected him to be.
I explained it above. When the other team's 4th line routinely dominates you on the scoreboard, shot clock, and chances for vs against, it means you're struggling as an NHLer. He can't win a face-off. And it's not like his 4th line opposition is playing marginally better than him either. They're outchancing, outshooting, and outscoring both Lander and Petrell by a margin greater than 2:1. To say they're getting dominated is an understatement. They're drowning in a tsunami...and they're facing other teams' worst players.

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Excuse me? Lander struggling? He was drafted in 2009, he wasn't expected to make the team this year and he's been better than Horcoff and Belanger.

He's had a hell of a year.
Totally agreed. No thanks to moving Lander for Frolik.

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Do the Oilers need yet another project? Seem to have enough.
Agree as well. No thanks to Frolik at all.

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I explained it above. When the other team's 4th line routinely dominates you on the scoreboard, shot clock, and chances for vs against, it means you're struggling as an NHLer. He can't win a face-off. And it's not like his 4th line opposition is playing marginally better than him either. They're outchancing, outshooting, and outscoring both Lander and Petrell by a margin greater than 2:1. To say they're getting dominated is an understatement. They're drowning in a tsunami...and they're facing other teams' worst players.
This isn't true. While he may not be at 50% yet someone did his splits the other day and he has been improving all year. He is a kid and getting better. Frolik on the other hand is 3-4 years older and not showing much improvement.

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This isn't true. While he may not be at 50% yet someone did his splits the other day and he has been improving all year. He is a kid and getting better. Frolik on the other hand is 3-4 years older and not showing much improvement.
Fair enough.

I'll agree with you on this. I think Frolik could thrive in the right environment, but Lander is improving and has a solid pedigree. I'd rather go with the safer young player too, even if his ceiling isn't as high as Frolik's (at least I don't think it is...maybe...)

There's absolutely zero chance Edmonton deals somebody like Belanger for Frolik though.

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Fair enough.

I'll agree with you on this. I think Frolik could thrive in the right environment, but Lander is improving and has a solid pedigree. I'd rather go with the safer young player too, even if his ceiling isn't as high as Frolik's (at least I don't think it is...maybe...)

There's absolutely zero chance Edmonton deals somebody like Belanger for Frolik though.
Like I said here or in the Oiler board at one time, Frolik is a guy that would be nice to take a chance on.

That's if the following were true;
-Frolik RFA/UFA at season end or making 1-1.5mil next year
-2 of Hemsky/Smyth/PRV/Omark were dealt
- And if it were for free or as a throw in.

There is no way I want to do the following;
- Give up any sort of asset that has a future with us. Trading an O'marra or Chorney fine.
- pay him for the next two years at just over 2mil. We had Brule who was of similar value.
- acquire him and then be forced not to use current players that we need to get a look at I.E. PRV, Petrell, Omark etc...

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Pass.

Frolik's potential impact is greater than Belanger's and the difference they'd be making against the cap is insignificant. Last I checked, Frolik can PK too.

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Excuse me? Lander struggling? He was drafted in 2009, he wasn't expected to make the team this year and he's been better than Horcoff and Belanger.

He's had a hell of a year.
You are making Oiler fans sound like friekin morons.

Say he has potenial
Say he has shown flashes of what he could become
Say he has surpassed expectations

But saying he has had a "hell of a year" is over selling....by ALOT.

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We could have signed Belanger. He was one of those guys who were "not good enough for our money", remember? I wouldn't mind having him but if Bowman wouldn't sign him, I doubt he would trade for him, although it would be encouraging for him to admit to his mistakes for once.

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