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02-14-2012, 03:42 PM
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I agree, the best case scenario would be to bring back the tie. As far as I'm concerned, I think the shootout has run its course. The spinarama has caused tons of controversy and its only a matter of time before players start using showboat moves. Hockey is far too much of a team game to be settled by individuals.
Oh dear, spinorama controversy.
Shootout is good for hockey. Fans not familiar with hockey do not understand ties. Games have faster endtimes so networks dont bump other coverage planned. So many benefits.


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02-14-2012, 03:54 PM
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Oh dear, spinorama controversy.
Shootout is good for hockey. Fans not familiar with hockey do not understand ties. Games have faster endtimes so networks dont bump other coverage planned. So many benefits.
So shootouts are for people who don't watch hockey?

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02-14-2012, 04:24 PM
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So shootouts are for people who don't watch hockey?
it doesnt make a lot of sense.

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02-14-2012, 04:30 PM
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So shootouts are for people who don't watch hockey?
Most people need to get introduced to hockey at some point. Growing up American it tends to be a family oriented event if people go to the game. That means wives and daughters. Women generally dont appreciate going to games for 3 hours and no winner.

NHL has become so much easier to explain with the new rules including picking up the red line meaning less complicated offsides rules.

If this doesnt make sense to you then please dont debate this for pages on end.

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02-14-2012, 04:51 PM
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There you go. More reason to hate that idea.

Although I always thought the 10 minute OT was the way to go.
If your team sucks at the shootout, you do everything you can to make sure it doesn't get to that point.

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02-14-2012, 10:59 PM
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Most people need to get introduced to hockey at some point. Growing up American it tends to be a family oriented event if people go to the game. That means wives and daughters. Women generally dont appreciate going to games for 3 hours and no winner.

NHL has become so much easier to explain with the new rules including picking up the red line meaning less complicated offsides rules.

If this doesnt make sense to you then please dont debate this for pages on end.
I say we keep our game how we like it, and not care what people who don't watch it think. If you want shootouts, there is soccer.

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02-14-2012, 11:06 PM
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I say we keep our game how we like it, and not care what people who don't watch it think. If you want shootouts, there is soccer.
Except the World Cup equivalent in hockey is not decided by shootout. It is the regular season. It marginally affects playoff standings and the 8th seed.

I personally like watching The Backhand of Judgment.

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02-14-2012, 11:18 PM
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Except the World Cup equivalent in hockey is not decided by shootout. It is the regular season. It marginally affects playoff standings and the 8th seed.

I personally like watching The Backhand of Judgment.
You should study what it affects a little more.

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02-14-2012, 11:25 PM
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You should study what it affects a little more.
Tell me instead of being a wise guy.

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02-14-2012, 11:31 PM
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Let's be nice now. No use in getting into a tizzy over this.

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02-15-2012, 04:59 AM
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What if they introduce 3 points for any win, regular or OT and keep the loser point in OT.
Play 4-on-4 for 10-12 mins in OT and if there is no winner then go the shootout to determine one?

Being European I have nothing against ties and having a tie with a point apiece would be fine with me, but I doubt the NHL goes back to this.

What would be interesting though is if someone had redone the standings of last season if they had implemented a new points system (ie 3-2-1) and see if it had looked any different.

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02-15-2012, 06:26 AM
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Someday the points system will change. It just depends on which power broker is in play at the time.

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There's no good way to do points with the shootout.

Ideally we'd have 2 for win, 1 for tie, 0 for loss.

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02-15-2012, 03:15 PM
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Did Mr. Wang start this thread?

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02-15-2012, 06:30 PM
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I say we keep our game how we like it, and not care what people who don't watch it think. If you want shootouts, there is soccer.
how are there shootouts in soccer? is that a US thing?

99% of all football games are decided without overtime or penalty shots...

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02-16-2012, 03:34 AM
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how are there shootouts in soccer? is that a US thing?

99% of all football games are decided without overtime or penalty shots...
I believe that's what they do in the US, but he may not know that elsewhere a tie is a tie and penalites are only used in cup competitions where you need a winner.

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02-16-2012, 07:29 AM
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You can't play games with 4 ots in November.
I don't see why not. Baseball can go 19 innings 162 games a year and they have conference rivals across the country.

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02-16-2012, 08:51 AM
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The only soccer I watch is the world cup, and I thought they had penalty shots.
So they have penalty shots in their biggest event, but not the rest of the time? LOL @ soccer.


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I don't see why not. Baseball can go 19 innings 162 games a year and they have conference rivals across the country.
Yeah, the cardio and the physicality of baseball and hockey are exactly alike.

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The only soccer I watch is the world cup, and I thought they had penalty shots.
So they have penalty shots in their biggest event, but not the rest of the time? LOL @ soccer.




Yeah, the cardio and the physicality of baseball and hockey are exactly alike.
If you look at it beyond the longevity, then you have a strong point. Exactly why football players play once a week. If they don't do continuous overtime, and want to get rid of the shootout, maybe the best answer would be to extend up to a full 20 min OT period.

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The only soccer I watch is the world cup, and I thought they had penalty shots.
So they have penalty shots in their biggest event, but not the rest of the time? LOL @ soccer.
The world cup is a cup competition between nations and is held every four years thus games must have a winner in the knock-out stages. Elsewhere national leagues contains 16-20 teams who play each other twice every season and the team with the most points at the season's end is the champion. No playoffs and no need for penality shootouts.Winner gets 3 points and a draw (or tie...) is 1 pt to each team. Everybody's happy.

I think one of the main differences between European and American sports is that in America there must always be winner or else many people don't see the point. In Europe the mentality might be a little different and people easily settle for a point apiece.

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It should be just a tie at the end of OT if no one scores. If they do 4 on 4 that is fine but shootouts & loser points are weak.

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02-17-2012, 07:27 AM
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The world cup is a cup competition between nations and is held every four years thus games must have a winner in the knock-out stages. Elsewhere national leagues contains 16-20 teams who play each other twice every season and the team with the most points at the season's end is the champion. No playoffs and no need for penality shootouts.Winner gets 3 points and a draw (or tie...) is 1 pt to each team. Everybody's happy.

I think one of the main differences between European and American sports is that in America there must always be winner or else many people don't see the point. In Europe the mentality might be a little different and people easily settle for a point apiece.
It's the american's fault they have shootouts in the world cup?

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It's the american's fault they have shootouts in the world cup?
Eh? Got out on the wrong side of the bed? They have shoot-outs because it's a knock-out competition -there must be a winner. Has nothing do to whatsoever with Americans....

In normal League games a tie is a tie but the league has nothing to do with the world cup

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Eh? Got out on the wrong side of the bed? They have shoot-outs because it's a knock-out competition -there must be a winner. Has nothing do to whatsoever with Americans....

In normal League games a tie is a tie but the league has nothing to do with the world cup
I didn't mean my post to come off in a bad way, but your post almost insinuates that they have shootouts because Americans don't like ties.

The World Cup should just play until somebody scores. It sucks to watch a whole game and have the championship come down to penalties.

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I didn't mean my post to come off in a bad way, but your post almost insinuates that they have shootouts because Americans don't like ties.

The World Cup should just play until somebody scores. It sucks to watch a whole game and have the championship come down to penalties.
An alternative to the shoot out has been discussed but they've failed to come up with something suitable. A soccer game can last for hours on end and that's why they'll have to finish it in some way. Also there are audiences worldwide so tv-times comes into it too.

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