"I am all for goalies being fair game when they wander..."
Are you serious??
Would you want someone to hit your goalie the same way they would hit a D-man on the forecheck?
As a Coach, of course not, but what do you do? How do you enforce it? C'mon Ref call a penalty! He hit him too hard! when does it become He hit my defenseman too hard! and then He shot the puck too hard at my goalie! Very soon, I'd wager. What is the rule? Wright hit Parks when he wandered, two UPEI guys moved in but did nothing, when Parks started swinging back then they started in, then Parks went down, he did not go down initially from the hit, therefore, it was like a hit to any other player, which I thought was allowed. IF that had been a def along the boards we wouldn't be having this conversation, ( Or would we?? I think the info about 23 pims vs 10 pims to this point is telling..) I understand players are going to go to bat for the goalie and all, that is going to happen if you LOOK at the goalie the wrong way, much less run him. So if you do run the goalie you better be prepared to accept the consequences, but what was he ejected for?
I'm also not a fan of the goalie being able to wander outside the crease without fear of getting hit, but I don't know if I agree that the goalie should be fair game and are allowed to be checked like any other player either...so I'm kind of torn on the issue. Yeah Parks wandered way out but it didn't seem Wright even made an attempt to slow down or get out of the way...it looked to me that he lined him up the whole way and knew what he was doing.
Last edited by UNB Bruins Fan: 02-26-2012 at 11:16 AM.
My point is that goalies are a lot like Quarterbacks inasmuch as they are protected from violence. Even in the old days of black-and-white TV (back when the Leaves last won the Cup), players would bump the goalie off the puck, but not hit as hard as they would on a skater. And back then, you were allowed to "hit" the goalie.
You can do the same today as long as you are not overly violent. The rules allow it; the opposing team does not.
Wright got a Major for Goalie Interference, hence the automatic Game. But because it was not a check-from-behind, boarding, hit-to-the-head or other "violent" penalty there is no subsequent suspension.
"I am all for goalies being fair game when they wander..."
Are you serious??
Would you want someone to hit your goalie the same way they would hit a D-man on the forecheck?
When they wander out behind the net, hold the puck, watching the play develop -- yes I would. They are no different than a defender in that case. As a forechecker your job is to press, remove player from puck or force the play.
In their crease, or in action that is happening around the crease - that is their domain and they should be protected.
My point is that goalies are a lot like Quarterbacks inasmuch as they are protected from violence. Even in the old days of black-and-white TV (back when the Leaves last won the Cup), players would bump the goalie off the puck, but not hit as hard as they would on a skater. And back then, you were allowed to "hit" the goalie.
You can do the same today as long as you are not overly violent. The rules allow it; the opposing team does not.
Wright got a Major for Goalie Interference, hence the automatic Game. But because it was not a check-from-behind, boarding, hit-to-the-head or other "violent" penalty there is no subsequent suspension.
And Praught took the legs out from underneath LaCosta, if that isn't deliberate I don't know what is, although he did get goaltender interference, 2 minutes, and when and how, can you determine a difference between what is deliberate and what is not?. The QB thing came from too many injuries to QB's from being hit, and they have not penalized them for hitting too hard or deliberately, they have penalized them for hitting after he delivers the ball. Now how did Wright interfere with the goalie anyway? Parks was out of his net, behind it, and off to the side, Wright hit him square on, didn't wait until he played it, then held him up from getting back to his net, didn't trip him so he couldn't get back, what would be the difference in how hard he hit him anyway? "The rules allow it"..??? They Do? then why was he called? One sure way to solve it is confine the goaltender to the crease. Otherwise let 'em wander, when it starts coming to this it's plain ridiculous.
If a goalie plays the puck like a defenceman then he becomes open to contact like a defenceman. Period.
Agreed. This might make some goalies wear smaller equipment to become mobile outside the net. Or keep them in the net all together. I am not sure the current helmet design could handle contact to the head (off glass or ice) like a players does. I would welcome it. It would make the dump and chase game a bit more interesting!
"Another no show at Nationals. Why did the university ever fire Pete Belliveau? The guy came in and took a non-established team to Nationals twice I believe? After a team has success, it should be easy to recruit and build a winner. (see LU bball)Instead, the university fires Belliveau because of his apparent attitude with players and now hasn't had the success Pete had ever since. Not only have they not had the success Pete had, but they made a VERY questionable hiring in Scherban. Now what LU? Are we going to see the 4th coach since the team has been brought back? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Pete should have been left in place until he failed miserably...much like the team has done ever since he left."
Find it pretty funny when people are like "goalies should be open season".....until it happens to YOUR goalie, you wouldnt be so quick to say it, but probably bash the oncoming forward for touching your goalie. Goalies dont bodycheck and players should try to take the puck off them and not hit them. Trust me, if Fullerton gets run in PEI outside his crease, look back at what you said about goalies should be open season
As far as Wright being a dirty player, I do remember at the LBR he ran a Tommie from behind on a forecheck into that wall and got a 5 minute major. Other than that, I dont see him as dirty.
If a goalie is acting like a positional player, I would have no issue with body contact that would be consistent with a positional player.
If they are doing their thing in or around their crease, different ballgame.
If goalies continue to wander and play like a defenseman, they need to grow a pair and be prepared to be take the same punishment a defenceman would.
Wright did run Parks - don't deny that. But that same hit happens on a Dman regularly -- no reason it should have been a major. Parks was holding puck along boards, deciding where to play puck.
"Another no show at Nationals. Why did the university ever fire Pete Belliveau? The guy came in and took a non-established team to Nationals twice I believe? After a team has success, it should be easy to recruit and build a winner. (see LU bball)Instead, the university fires Belliveau because of his apparent attitude with players and now hasn't had the success Pete had ever since. Not only have they not had the success Pete had, but they made a VERY questionable hiring in Scherban. Now what LU? Are we going to see the 4th coach since the team has been brought back? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Pete should have been left in place until he failed miserably...much like the team has done ever since he left."
If a goalie is acting like a positional player, I would have no issue with body contact that would be consistent with a positional player.
If they are doing their thing in or around their crease, different ballgame.
If goalies continue to wander and play like a defenseman, they need to grow a pair and be prepared to be take the same punishment a defenceman would.
Wright did run Parks - don't deny that. But that same hit happens on a Dman regularly -- no reason it should have been a major. Parks was holding puck along boards, deciding where to play puck.
A bodycheck is a bodycheck, a charge is charging, boarding is boarding, hit to the head is 2 and 10. Goalies can handle clean bodychecks but when players run a goalie it is usually a charge or boarding or hit to the head. Bodychecks are permitted the other infractions aren't.
If a goalie is acting like a positional player, I would have no issue with body contact that would be consistent with a positional player.
If they are doing their thing in or around their crease, different ballgame.
If goalies continue to wander and play like a defenseman, they need to grow a pair and be prepared to be take the same punishment a defenceman would.
Wright did run Parks - don't deny that. But that same hit happens on a Dman regularly -- no reason it should have been a major. Parks was holding puck along boards, deciding where to play puck.
How is a goalie SUPPOSED to take a body check with their big gear. They are used to contact outside the crease! Miller had a concussion on the Lucic hit outside the crease.
Last edited by Majik1987: 02-26-2012 at 07:59 PM.
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Wright did run Parks - don't deny that. But that same hit happens on a Dman regularly -- no reason it should have been a major. Parks was holding puck along boards, deciding where to play puck.
The more I think about it...how can you call it an interference penalty when the goalie was well outside the crease and was playing/had possession of the puck?
Last edited by UNB Bruins Fan: 02-26-2012 at 07:36 PM.
I agree that you shouldn't be able to blatantly run over a goalie Lucic-style...but at the same time a goalie shouldn't be able to come way out of his crease without any fear of contact and knowing if they do happen to get hit a penalty will be called. It would be a tough thing to regulate though...how much contact would be considered extreme enough to warrant a penalty?
The example of a QB in football is a good one...when a QB decides to run with the ball he is treated as a running back so when a goalie leaves his crease to play the puck he should be treated more like a d-man. Like I said though...I am, in no way, defending Wright on that hit. It was ill-advised and looked more intentional than not.
Last edited by Majik1987: 02-26-2012 at 08:00 PM.
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How is a goalie SUPPOSED to take a body check with their big gear. They are used to contact outside the crease! Miller had a concussion on the Lucic hit outside the crease.
the hit on Miller was a charge as well as a hit to the head and blatantly against the rules. Those unnecessary hits are illegal and if a player chooses to cross the line I'm all for beating him into a fetal position. Lucic is also a borderline goon whose career will end with concussion symptoms one day.
And UQTR takes it at 6:18 of double OT. So, with the exception of Lakehead, everything has gone according to script so far...the top 4 seeds remain in CW and the AUS, and 3 of the top 4 in the OUA.
Find it pretty funny when people are like "goalies should be open season".....until it happens to YOUR goalie, you wouldnt be so quick to say it, but probably bash the oncoming forward for touching your goalie. Goalies dont bodycheck and players should try to take the puck off them and not hit them. Trust me, if Fullerton gets run in PEI outside his crease, look back at what you said about goalies should be open season
As far as Wright being a dirty player, I do remember at the LBR he ran a Tommie from behind on a forecheck into that wall and got a 5 minute major. Other than that, I dont see him as dirty.
The funny part is with Fullarton at the side on his net still with one foot in the crease Quaille came out for his first shift of the game and did try and run Fullarton from Behind, he only got two minutes cause somehow Fullarton didnt go flying, if he would have went flying head first towards the boards, im sure a major would have been giving. as far as the Wright Play goes, he knows hes in the wrong, hes not a dirty player but it was a dumb play, hes a stay at home defenseman, and chasing a puck into the corner with no UPEI player around accept for the challenging goalie is probably something pretty new to Ben Wright. It was dumb, he knows the Reds Know it, Gardiner and Kyle Bailey both acknowledged it.
I have some beef though with how Forbes handled it in the Media, using sentences like if thats how they want to play, we will play that way too on the Island Wednesday, saying that nothing was dirty until UNB did that, I count 23 Minutes in Penalties on UPEI in the third period alone before that even Happen. Also By Stateting we all know and all of Canadian University Sport knows UNB only has 1 Goalie only. I would say for dan Lacosta coming off a year of red shirting with senior and suffering through Groin Injuries but having to play in some games anyway his statistics were very good, and were close to Fullartons Numbers.
With the on purpose revenge hit attempt by 1 shift for the Game Quaille on Fullarton, and the Devon Praught taking the feet out from Lacosta deliberately in the dying minutes, and the threat of see what happens on the Island on Wednesday, I would be very surprised to not see Lacosta start instead of Fullarton, not just cause of the Threat, but Because of the Insult to Dan Lacosta like he is not worthy of being a AUS goaltender, and UNB has the breathing room in the series to do it, and to get Lacosta Ice Time againts a talented team to keep him warm.
Im worried about what may transpire on the Island if the score gets out of reach in the 3rd period, The Island is well known for being a nightmare place to play for off Island teams as far as the Homer Simpson Refs are concerned, and not just at this level of Hockey all Peewee to Senior, and Im hoping UNB doesnt get frustrated by the calls and abuse they may have to take
Also from what I gather it sounds like UNB will sit Ben Wright for Game 3 by their own choice not because he is suspended by the League, shortening UNB's Defense on hand to 5, even though they do not have to, if this happens this is a sign to me the play was not a team thing, and UNB is truly not looking for war
...snip ... Also By Stateting we all know and all of Canadian University Sport knows UNB only has 1 Goalie only. I would say for dan Lacosta coming off a year of red shirting with senior and suffering through Groin Injuries but having to play in some games anyway his statistics were very good, and were close to Fullartons Numbers.
At the time I interpreted his statement more as a dig back at the Fredericton media, and probably people like me in particular, for noting several times in the last few weeks that while UPEI was 3-1 this season against UNB in the regular season, they hadn't won against Fullerton ... so their 3-1 record was deceptive.
And now they're 0-3 against Fullerton this season and have only scored three goals in total in three games against him. Just sayin'.
At the time I interpreted his statement more as a dig back at the Fredericton media, and probably people like me in particular, for noting several times in the last few weeks that while UPEI was 3-1 this season against UNB in the regular season, they hadn't won against Fullerton ... so their 3-1 record was deceptive.
And now they're 0-3 against Fullerton this season and have only scored three goals in total in three games against him. Just sayin'.
Oops. Too much coffee today or not enough. The three games Fullerton has been in nets vs UPEI have been 4-1, 4-3 and 5-1 wins, so that's of course 5 goals in 3 games, or a 1.67 GAA.
The OUA also announced their award winners and all-star teams today -
OUA EAST DIVISION MAJOR AWARD WINNERS AND ALL-STARS
MAJOR AWARD WINNERS
MVP – Marc-Andre Dorion (McGill)
Defenceman of the Year - Marc-Andre Dorion (McGill)
Top Goaltender – Riley Whitlock (Queen’s)
Top Rookie – Corey Bureau (Queen’s)
Randy Gregg Award nominee – Jonathon Lawrance (Queen’s)
Most Sportsmanlike – Matthieu Methot (Ottawa)
Coach of the Year – Darren Lowe (Toronto)
FIRST TEAM ALL-STARS
G – Riley Whitlock (Queen’s)
D – Marc-Andre Dorion (McGill)
D – Pierre-Luc Lessard (UQTR)
F – Brandon MacLean (Carleton)
F – Felix Petit (UQTR)
F – George Lovatsis (Concordia)
SECOND TEAM ALL-STARS
G – Huber Morin (McGill)
D – Brodie Beard (Nipissing)
D – Eric Begin (Concordia)
F – Francis Verreault-Paul (McGill)
F – Byron Elliott (Toronto)
F – Michael Stinziani (Concordia)
ALL ROOKIE TEAM
G – Russell Abbott (Ottawa)
D – Matt Stanisz (Carleton)
D – Brian Birkhoff (Ryerson)
F – Corey Bureau (Queen’s)
F – Alexandre Touchette (Ottawa)
F – Scott Domenico (RMC)
2011-12 OUA MEN’S HOCKEY WEST DIVISION MAJOR AWARD WINNERS
MVP: Keaton Turkiewicz (Western)
Top Rookie: Zach Harnden (Western)
Most Sportsmanlike: Chris Ray (Waterloo)
Randy Gregg award nominee: Kirt Hill (Waterloo)
Top Defenceman: Scott Aarssen (Western)
Top Goaltender: Josh Unice (Western)
Coach of the Year: Clarke Singer (Western)
2011-12 OUA MEN’S HOCKEY WEST DIVISION ALL-STARS
FIRST TEAM
F – Keaton Turkiewicz (Western)
F – Chris Ray (Waterloo)
F – Kevin Baker (Western)
D – Mike Quesnele (Lakehead)
G – Josh Unice (Western)
SECOND TEAM
F – Jesse Messier (York)
F – Matt Caria (Lakehead)
F – Kirt Hill (Waterloo)
D – Mitch Fillman (Lakehead)
D – Steve Ferry (Windsor)
G – Ryan Daniels (Laurier)
ALL ROOKIE TEAM
F – Zach Harnden (Western)
F – Mike Hammond (Lakehead)
F – Evan Stibbard (Windsor)
D – Mitch Fillman (Lakehead)
D – Joe Underwood (Waterloo)
G – Andrew Perugini (York)
