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06-28-2012, 12:01 AM
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It's amusing to see people *****ing about how boring the Euro games are when Chelsea literally gave up on their EPL season so they could park the bus to win the UCL.

5 of the last 12 UCL Finals have been decided by penalties.

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06-28-2012, 08:31 AM
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Whatever gets the win....but it's not always pretty.

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06-28-2012, 08:33 AM
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I must say after watching Spain vs Portugal last night on DVR, that Portugal really brought it. Probably the most possession I've seen a Spain opponent have in a long time. Can't beleive CR7 didn't even get to shoot in penalties....unforgivable blunder by someone.

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06-28-2012, 02:24 PM
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Balotelli... what a goal.

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06-28-2012, 02:26 PM
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Balotelli... what a goal.
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06-28-2012, 02:42 PM
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Both of them were beauties.
Didn't see the 1st one until the highlights, but yes, they were.

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06-28-2012, 04:05 PM
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Wow, what a master-class by a wily team. Everything Germany did today after the first 20 mins or so was unconvincing, and credit goes to Italy for that. Working on 2 days less rest, was it? Amazing. Those Italian midfielders have worked their tails off.

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06-28-2012, 04:14 PM
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Something was really wrong with the pitch. Players couldn't stay on their feet near the German goal in the 2nd half.

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06-28-2012, 07:25 PM
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I know what you're saying, I just think neutralizing Pirlo would make Germany-Italy gap even larger, without really having to sacrifice much.

But in any case, the tactical matchups should be quite interesting to watch. Not sure about the game itself -- don't remember the last time an Italy game was entertaining to watch, lol.
Well I just watched the game and I have to think Low was reading these boards and found your argument more persuasive than mine. But the result of changing their tactics to try to shackle Pirlo was a much, much lesser Germany as I said it likely would.

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06-28-2012, 08:25 PM
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Pirlo for 2C!

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06-28-2012, 11:44 PM
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Well I just watched the game and I have to think Low was reading these boards and found your argument more persuasive than mine. But the result of changing their tactics to try to shackle Pirlo was a much, much lesser Germany as I said it likely would.
Actually, Germany didn't even alter its formation, besides moving Ozil slightly towards a flank. If crowding Pirlo was their plan, they did a very poor job of it. He still orchestrated from the back end, and opened up the flank for the critical first goal.

I re-watched the first half, Germany actually was better than Italy on balance, generating more offense overall. But Italy generated the two best scoring chances and converted, and that was game. I think Germany's biggest problem was simply that individual players had subpar games in terms of overall output -- Ozil, Podolski, Gomez, S-tiger. They had the fresh legs, should've been flying.. but Italy basically outworked them in midfield.

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06-29-2012, 08:10 AM
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Horrible effort by Germany....so disappointing. Congrats to Italy, they played well.

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Actually, Germany didn't even alter its formation, besides moving Ozil slightly towards a flank. If crowding Pirlo was their plan, they did a very poor job of it. He still orchestrated from the back end, and opened up the flank for the critical first goal.

I re-watched the first half, Germany actually was better than Italy on balance, generating more offense overall. But Italy generated the two best scoring chances and converted, and that was game. I think Germany's biggest problem was simply that individual players had subpar games in terms of overall output -- Ozil, Podolski, Gomez, S-tiger. They had the fresh legs, should've been flying.. but Italy basically outworked them in midfield.
Germany was way too narrow in the first half as Ozil did not play on the right the way say Muller had in the past and Boateng didn't try to get forward much at all. Yes Ozil stayed more towards the right than he normally would but it was more a center-right. And Kroos did not play as far forward as Ozil usually does as they basically just added him to their usual 2 deeper lying central midfielders

Basically instead of having this normal midfield look of Podolski, Ozil, Muller, Schweinsteiger, and Khedira in this:

x-x-x
-x-x-

They had Podolski, Ozil, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, and Khedira in this:

x--x-
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And in the 2nd half instead of taking off Kroos, moving Ozil back to his normal spot, and putting on Reus or Muller to give them width on the right they took off Podolski and moved Kroos to the left, which is not his normal position, and that left them with both their guys on the left, Kroos and Lahm, being guys who prefer to cut in on their right foot so they lost much of their width on the left side.

Low botched it IMO...

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06-29-2012, 02:16 PM
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Well, Kroos was a strange choice overall. I don't know the player very well, tbh, but apparently he's more of Pirlo-light type, i.e. on the slow side, offensive-minded central midfielder. So that means Germany got worse on the wing, and didn't do anything to better track Pirlo.. the worst of both worlds. Incidentally, if you look at the heat map of player movements, Kroos was significantly higher up than S-tiger and Khedira in the game. I think he was supposed to free up Ozil to roam as he pleased, but it broke Germany's flow and didn't do much to stop Italy's.

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07-01-2012, 02:44 PM
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Spain's goals were beautiful. Pure brilliance.

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07-01-2012, 02:56 PM
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Come on Italy...get one to make it interesting at least....

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07-01-2012, 03:31 PM
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Spain opening it up now. Torres....what a great end of the year....

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07-01-2012, 03:32 PM
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Couple of Chelsea finishes there for Spain!

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07-01-2012, 03:33 PM
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What a blowout. Spain is dominant.

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07-01-2012, 03:59 PM
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Garbage time for Spain = send out the Chelsea players.

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07-01-2012, 04:08 PM
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All bow before Spain..

Barca is gonna be even more amazing to watch -- now with two world class full-backs in Alba and Alves and sharp young wingers in Pedro and Cuenca, then ofc Xavi/Iniesta/Messi/Fabregas running & distributing, still Villa/Sanchez up front, they'll be ripping teams up on the flank, knifing through in the middle..forget it, nowhere to hide, lol. Park the bus and pray..

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07-01-2012, 04:20 PM
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All bow before Spain..
It will be quite intriguing to see how they fare against Argentina in two years from now.

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07-01-2012, 04:39 PM
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All bow before Spain..

Barca is gonna be even more amazing to watch -- now with two world class full-backs in Alba and Alves and sharp young wingers in Pedro and Cuenca, then ofc Xavi/Iniesta/Messi/Fabregas running & distributing, still Villa/Sanchez up front, they'll be ripping teams up on the flank, knifing through in the middle..forget it, nowhere to hide, lol. Park the bus and pray..
Yeah, it's amazes me how much Puyol's injury has been overlooked by the press. Tue, David Villa's injury had a bigger impact on the team. Still, with a healthy Puyol, Ramos moves to his natural position at right back and adds yet another dimension to the Spanish attack, just like Alvez does for Barcelona. Offensively Ramos >> Arbeloa.

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07-01-2012, 11:26 PM
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Great game by Spain. By far their best performances for quite some time.

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07-02-2012, 08:37 AM
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Gotta love Italy supporters crying foul because Torres kept trying to score to get the Golden Boot.

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