Are you trying to say that getting injured for 15-30 games in your best PPG seasons is the same as being used sparingly on the PK for most of your career?
chat thread please , I really don't care about a potential useless vancouver-toronto deal (especially a god damn proposal of all things ) I wouldn't even care if it was Montreal.That's just how pathetic and irrelevant hockey-wise the leafs and the habs has become in this league in the last 15 years.
I'm relaxing in the ATD section not to hear about those irrelevant crap.
1958-59 35
Phil Goyette 19
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Jean Beliveau 4
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Don Marshall 4
1959-60 42
Phil Goyette 31
XXX 20
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Thanks for that. I hadn't realized that the Habs checkingline was built around the Goyette - Provost duo during those seasons. They seem to have been pretty productive offensively for checkingliners during that timespan. Provost has points finishes of 15th and 20th during those seasons, while Goyette finished 7th in assists and 15th in goals during that span.
This level of production (relativized to the ATD) is probably what can be expected of this duo in a pure checking role here, though they are also the kind of players who are capable of switching gears to a more offensive game when they take shifts against another team's bottom six (which will happen from time-to-time...no coach gets every line match that he wants). Ramsay was a pretty good scorer, as well, in a checking role. I like the flexibility of that line at even strength.
This was a weird pick for me. I almost took Jack Darragh with my last 3 picks, but I'm glad I waited I never thought he would fall this far. Jack Darragh was known for his clutch goal-scoring, speed, and a great back-hand shot from the Right Wing. It has been said that he might have had the best back-hand shot in history untill Maurice Richard came along. I know the playoffs were a lot shorter in his playing days than they are now, but I really like the fact he's a proven playoff player with 2 retro Conn Smythe trophies and I beileve 1 or 2 stanley cup winning goals. Jack Darragh and Dick Duff definately will elevate there play in big games and I'm happy to have both of them.
I have been waiting for Darragh to get picked since the conversation about Claude Provost on the RW of the Denneny - Nighbor line popped up. Ok, Provost is now on Reen's 3rd line, but I still have some questions about Darragh.
What is the deal with this guy? I've looked into his scoring totals, and if I recall correctly, he has two seasons in the 70's Vs2 scoring, and it does downhill from there. We know from his Legends bio that he was a very good skater and apparently a fine stickhandler with a good backhand shot, but is there anything else about his intangibles? I've heard him called a gentlemanly player before, and I don't believe that he was physical.
Is there any information out there about Darragh's defense? I've read a lot of game reports from Darragh's time in Ottawa and he didn't seem to stand out much. Yes, he had two fine Cup Finals serieses for those dynasty Sens teams, but when looking at the full package of information we have on Darragh...this guy looks like a 4th liner to me. He wasn't particularly good offensively, probably wasn't physical, and we have no information on his defensive game. I get the impression that if he had played for any other team during that era, he might well be completely forgotten.
At this point in the draft, I think Darragh is an ok pick, but based on what we know, I think it was lunacy to pick him in the top-300 as happened in the past. Am I missing something on Darragh, or is his draft position really based almost entirely on two playoff serieses and the fact that he is in the HHOF? His HHOF induction is one of the clearer cases of "sympathy for the departed", in my opinion. While still in his 30's, Darragh died suddenly of peritonitis in 1924, just a couple years after his playoff heroics. I think there is likely a lot of hot air here.
Just like Sturm said, it's definitely a worthy fall for Jack Darragh, who, in my opinion, has no business in the Top-300. His two-retro Conn Smythe gave him far too much mileage in the last few drafts. At this point, he's a fair selection on a offensive minded bottom-6 role, but unless we find other information on him about his defense/leadership/strength etc ..., he should be taken around that spot.
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I will take Ivan Hlinka, C.
Pick #414.
It was either Milan Novy or Ivan Hlinka at spot #371 for me, and I'm very happy you took him, as I would of had a hard time skipping him at #435.
Since I never research them throughfully before last week, and wasn't sure who was the better offensive player of the two, I had wrote down their stats in the Czech league during their career and found some infos on them. I end up believing that Novy was the better offensive player by a fair margin, but Hlinka do bring other skills like leadership and size, that Novy didn't processed.
Looking over the rosters as they are now, I think the René Lecavalier is looking like the division of death this year. A number of legitimate contenders there.
Looking over the rosters as they are now, I think the René Lecavalier is looking like the division of death this year. A number of legitimate contenders there.
Perfect, let them beat each other up, and then having a banged up team in front of us for the finals!
Looking over the rosters as they are now, I think the René Lecavalier is looking like the division of death this year. A number of legitimate contenders there.
Hey, that is the division I'm in!
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Perfect, let them beat each other up, and then having a banged up team in front of us for the finals!
Well, I'm very pleased to get him as the 10th coach selected. I really didn't think he'd make it to this pick, which is why I was tring to trade up the past couple of days.
One thing about Darragh is that he was very versatile. I believe he usually played centre when Nighbor went off, and if the Sens were short on D he could play on the back end. Teammates Denneny and Broadbent were pure wingers.
Not that you necessarily want him to play different positions in the ATD, but it's probably an indicator of hockey smarts and ability to adjust.
Looking over the rosters as they are now, I think the René Lecavalier is looking like the division of death this year. A number of legitimate contenders there.
It's the division I'm in. I agree it's looking quite strong this year. Still I think this is extremely wide open this year. Of all the drafts I've been a part of the past 2 years this 1 is perhaps the most wide open.
Also for the record I made the following trade with Dreakmur the other night, it's conditional on a certain player being available but here's the trade:
To Rogle BK : Picks 421 and 540
To the Garnish Cougars: Picks 450 and 502
Wanted to get it out there, it's conditional on a player being available for Dreakmur so whoever picks at 420 can still pm me and if Dreakmur's player is still available I'll pm him.
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Kudos to the Ottawa Senators for the great season despite injuries to their 3 best players.
One thing about Darragh is that he was very versatile. I believe he usually played centre when Nighbor went off, and if the Sens were short on D he could play on the back end. Teammates Denneny and Broadbent were pure wingers.
Not that you necessarily want him to play different positions in the ATD, but it's probably an indicator of hockey smarts and ability to adjust.
Yeah...I knew Darragh filled in for Nighbor at center when Nighbor was out. But then again, the Sens tended to get crushed without Nighbor. There may be more to Darragh than meets the eye, but right now the information we have on him is awfully thin. I think both Darragh and Broadbent have been overrated in the ATD historically, though this is a more appropriate spot for Darragh. Broadbent is still probably 100+ spots too high.
I was just looking at your roster and saw the first thing you were lacking was a strong PK defenseman, and you got it in Hajt.
Yeah once I dug into him some more I was very impressed.
He is one of those guys who wasn't noticed a lot because he just made the safe play every time - wasn't an offensive player and wasn't a big hitter in spite of his size.
He just played great positionally, rubbed guys out or tied them up with his size, and took the puck away.
As a stay at home guy to balance my puck moving defensemen and as a PK specialist he's a great bargain here.
(especially a god damn proposal of all things ) I wouldn't even care if it was Montreal.That's just how pathetic and irrelevant hockey-wise the leafs and the habs has become in this league in the last 15 years.
