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Andrei Kostitsyn's Future: Is it in Montreal?

View Poll Results: What will happen to Le Frère André?
Traded before trade deadline 98 54.14%
Departure as UFA 25 13.81%
Back in Montreal next year 58 32.04%
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02-16-2012, 10:39 PM
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Kostitsyn has talent, a great shot. Does have off nights. Only hits on occasion, almost never defends his mates. almost never drops them.
Not a great passer, not a great puck handler.
Not great in the room.
If Moore is worth a 2nd rounder, the AK47 must be good for a lot more then Moore. AK was a 1st round pick. You know ak will score 30 with a great center.
Habs should get a good rookie player+ a 2nd pick
I don't think so. Moore is a proven playoff guy so that's why the Sharks got him. It's not the case for AK and I think that the Habs would probably get a 2nd rounder at best for AK right now.

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02-16-2012, 10:41 PM
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unles K wants to take apaycut--i think he is a goner

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02-16-2012, 10:47 PM
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Only hits on occasion, almost never defends his mates. almost never drops them.
Not a great passer, not a great puck handler.
Not great in the room.

humm.. Where to start?

AK only hits on occasion? What about Plekanec, Gomez, Gionta, Eller, DD then? AK has even more hits than Maxpac. Only Cole has more hits than AK amongst our forwards this season. AK also lead the team in Hits last season. Oops..

How many time did you see Plekanec, Eller, Gionta, Gomez, DD, Cole, MaxPac dropped their gloves to defend a teammates this season or just drop them this season? Oops.

Cole, MaxPac, Gionta are terrible passer too. So? Your point is? I've seen AK making way more beautiful play and pass than those guys.

Not great in the room is the funniest. Mind telling me what's the color of Price socks since you seem to have a access to the lockeroom.

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02-17-2012, 12:01 PM
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Not great in the room is the funniest. Mind telling me what's the color of Price socks since you seem to have a access to the lockeroom.
The only comment we DO have about Andrei K is the room is him being named by Gomez as "most likely to be voted most popular in the room if a poll were taken".

YMMV, but this doesn't exactly scream "not great in the room" to me.

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02-17-2012, 12:18 PM
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Take it for what it's worth but this is Arpon Basu's take on the AK situation :

- Habs should resign him
- If they do put him on the market, his value will be very high because there will ve very few top 6 wingers available
- he thinks that at minimum the Habs should get a 2nd round pick and a solid prospect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHR_MSr3Tck

Some of us will miss him!


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02-17-2012, 07:33 PM
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If Gill can get us a 2nd rounder then trade Kostitsyn asap!!!

I'll be a fan of Andrei werever he goes and I think it will be better for his career to start anew (hopefully on a western team!)

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02-17-2012, 07:38 PM
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If Gill can get us a 2nd rounder then trade Kostitsyn asap!!!

I'll be a fan of Andrei werever he goes and I think it will be better for his career to start anew (hopefully on a western team!)
Agreed. LA suck this year offensively and could use him...

AK for Clifford + 1st/2nd ???

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02-17-2012, 07:39 PM
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02-17-2012, 08:24 PM
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If Tor can't get offered a 1st for Grabo which apparently they haven't (to date), there is no way we get one for AK.

Another 2nd rounder + younger roster player would please me plenty.

For everybody's sake, it's time to turn the page : He needs a fresh start cause it simply isn't working out here.

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02-17-2012, 08:55 PM
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AK for LAs monster, right handed D-man Matt Greene ? I know Greene hits, but can he skate ?

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02-17-2012, 09:03 PM
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AK for LAs monster, right handed D-man Matt Greene ? I know Greene hits, but can he skate ?
AK + 2nd for Johnson ?

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02-17-2012, 09:11 PM
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AK + 2nd for Johnson ?
I think you may be getting carried away because of what PG got us for Gill. But if LA wanted to do that , sure, and then run like crazy.

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02-17-2012, 09:12 PM
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AK to Detroit or Nashville before Deadline. Let them fight it out for best offer.

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02-17-2012, 09:22 PM
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Kings desesperaly needs offence and they lile big guy. Kostitsyn could definitly interest them.

But with recent unsuccess its gon be a tough one.

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AK + 2nd for Johnson ?
Unless you can flip him before the deadline I wouldn't trade Kostitsyn straight up for Johnson. Johnson is not good defensively and the Habs already have Kaberle who has the benefit of "only" being under contact for 2 more years instead of 6. He has the draft and World Junior pedigree, a couple decent offensive seasons, and a big contract but he hasn't yet developed into the defenseman you would expect him to be. Trading for Johnson is a pretty big risk in my opinion; you're banking on him taking another step to be a #3/4 type rather than a bottom-pairing matchup guy (though used in all situations).

http://oilersnation.com/2012/2/13/co...s]This article and two others linked in it pretty much covers my reasoning, though the author uses regular +/- instead of fancy stats I prefer.

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02-17-2012, 09:36 PM
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Unless you can flip him before the deadline I wouldn't trade Kostitsyn straight up for Johnson. Johnson is not good defensively and the Habs already have Kaberle who has the benefit of "only" being under contact for 2 more years instead of 6. He has the draft and World Junior pedigree, a couple decent offensive seasons, and a big contract but he hasn't yet developed into the defenseman you would expect him to be. Trading for Johnson is a pretty big risk in my opinion; you're banking on him taking another step to be a #3/4 type rather than a bottom-pairing matchup guy (though used in all situations).

http://oilersnation.com/2012/2/13/co...s]This article and two others linked in it pretty much covers my reasoning, though the author uses regular +/- instead of fancy stats I prefer.
I thought you and Habitue were kidding on Johnson for AK and while I think Johnson would fetch alot more than AK, I just checked his stats and his plus/minus is consistently horrible year in and year out. Really surprising. So what about Matt Greene ?

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I thought you and Habitue were kidding on Johnson for AK and while I think Johnson would fetch alot more than AK, I just checked his stats and his plus/minus is consistently horrible year in and year out. Really surprising. So what about Matt Greene ?
I'm terrible at getting sarcasm at the best of times, nevermind in text so I probably missed something in habitue's post there.

+/- (The way the NHL counts it) is a pretty horrible stat for a single-year and even over multiple years you need to compare it to the rest of the team (a defenseman playing on Columbus with Steve Mason behind him is going to have a terrible +/- compared to a guy playing for say, Detroit). For Johnson to do so poorly compared to the other defensemen in LA is pretty damning, especially since it's not like he's getting tough matchups.

As for Greene, I'm only looking at the shot metrics, zone starts, and the quality of competition metrics but he looks like a bottom-pairing guy to me even though he's physical. With Kaberle, Diaz, and Weber the Habs already have 3 guys of that type.

I don't think you're going to fill the 2nd-pairing hole on defense going into next year by trading just Kostitsyn or Kostitsyn and a spare part. Playoff teams probably aren't going to be looking to trade good-quality players for a rental unless their GM goes for insane; the value just isn't there. If Kostitsyn is dealt you're probably best off dealing him for futures and then trying to fill the hole in the summer.

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02-18-2012, 10:13 AM
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If I could get one guy from LA in return of Kostitsyn, it would be Matt Grreene. I would also include Weber it they were willing to add a mid-level prospect.

I still think Kostitsyn is better than a lot give him credit for but it seems he is unwanted in Montreal by fans, coaching stafff and even the media. For Pierre LeBrun to say that Kostitsyn has no value is absurd. It is probably the same comments that were made about his brother and Grabovski, both of whom are playing well.

It has become somewhat of a mob mentality. One person says something and everyone nods in agreement without making their own unbiased evaluation. In that situation, it is better for the Habs and for Kostitsyn if he is moved.

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02-18-2012, 10:29 AM
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Kostitsyn is one of those players whom I'd hate to actually be the one to have to make the decision on. It's a classic "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation.

He's got a lot of good and a lot of bad/borderline characteristics. Here's a few off the top of my head.

He's stated that he'll sign for less in Montreal....good
He has 20 ES points this year despite missing games and generally has generally been throughout his career. an adequate 2nd/3rd liner in terms of ES production....good
He can dish out some meaningful hits.....good

He's incredibly inconsistent game to game.....bad
He hasn't been performing very well in the latter stages of a contract year....bad
For a former high pick in the prime of his career his production isn't anything special......not encouraging

He's the type of player of whom I'd imagine that most GM's wouldn't be thrilled about signing to a long term deal.

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02-18-2012, 11:55 AM
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He's incredibly inconsistent game to game.....bad
He hasn't been performing very well in the latter stages of a contract year....bad
Should he be consistent he proly would get paid 6-7 mil and than people would complain about his big greedy Russian contract. As for his performance in contract year I remember jm comment something about European player in his contract year and 2-3 games later he got demoted from red hot AK-Pleki-Cammi line, he was on pace for 70 points. Obviously noone wanted to pay him so they slowed him down
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For a former high pick in the prime of his career his production isn't anything special......not encouraging
Yeah sniper/dangler doesn't really do an awesome job in been enforcer. Maybe Habs should try him as a tough-guy
Anyways I'm interested to see who will be the next scapegoat after Belorussian dynasty of scape-goats will come to the end (Grabovski-SK-AK)

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02-18-2012, 12:04 PM
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Take it for what it's worth but this is Arpon Basu's take on the AK situation :

- Habs should resign him
- If they do put him on the market, his value will be very high because there will ve very few top 6 wingers available
- he thinks that at minimum the Habs should get a 2nd round pick and a solid prospect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHR_MSr3Tck

Some of us will miss him!

Don't get me wrong. I really like Kostitsyn when he's on his game. The problem is that his play is enigmatic. These youtube videos are great when you take his best plays over the last three seasons and put them to some wickedly motivating music. However, a truer representation of his play may be a YouTube video of him loafing around on his skates in the last 30 games set to some elevator music. He has so much potential...but RC has to light a fire under his a$$ eachtime for him to bring it consistently. It's frustrating.

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02-18-2012, 12:07 PM
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While Kostitsyn's inconsistencies are always a topic of conversation, he does rank at 170th in scoring among forwards. Since there are 180 players in the league who play on the top two lines, he is near the bottom end of second players and better than 3rd line players. He has accomplished that while ranking 210th in total ice time and 179th in PP ice time among forwards. He also ranks 92nd in hits.

Almost all of these stats point to a typical 2nd line and at worst, a top end third line player.

It seems Kostitsyn is as good as gone but those who are expecting a big upgrade on this performance given similar opportunities may be disappointed. Sometimes the devil you know can be better than the one you don't.

The other option is keeping Kostitsyn playing at the level that we are all happy with. Trading him might be easier but I doubt that a prospect or a 2nd round draft choice will replace what he brings to the team any time in the near future.

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02-18-2012, 12:36 PM
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As much as I love Andrei.

I'm seeing him gone at the deadline if there's interest.

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02-18-2012, 01:27 PM
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While Kostitsyn's inconsistencies are always a topic of conversation, he does rank at 170th in scoring among forwards. Since there are 180 players in the league who play on the top two lines, he is near the bottom end of second players and better than 3rd line players. He has accomplished that while ranking 210th in total ice time and 179th in PP ice time among forwards. He also ranks 92nd in hits.

Almost all of these stats point to a typical 2nd line and at worst, a top end third line player.

It seems Kostitsyn is as good as gone but those who are expecting a big upgrade on this performance given similar opportunities may be disappointed. Sometimes the devil you know can be better than the one you don't.

The other option is keeping Kostitsyn playing at the level that we are all happy with. Trading him might be easier but I doubt that a prospect or a 2nd round draft choice will replace what he brings to the team any time in the near future.
In short and as another poster has already put it......
You are damned if you do and damned if you don't, with him.

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02-18-2012, 01:44 PM
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I really believe we have a decent team that just needs some adjustments. Since we are rolling 3 offensive kind of lines I would keep AK and Moen for that matter because we wont find better for cheaper in UFAs. AK is big, physical and can get you 20 plus goals, and he may take less to stay here. We wont find better on the UFA market and why would we trade assets then to get a replacement for him, makes no sense to me. I was thrilled for what we got for Gill but he was a PK specialist at this point so just the 2nd rounder was good for him. For AK, a pick isnt good because that player needs to be replaced now if we move him. If we are to trade him then we need to try to get a body that fills another gap and this is why I have thrown out Matt Greene. The D needs more size and physical play. The D is actually the most important part of the team that needs to be fixed right now and not knowing where thing stand with Markov is a problem. If he doesnt come back then we need a 2 way top 4 player, if he does come back then a top 6 big physical player rounds it out. Kaberle also is a question mark in terms of how he fits in, or if we can or should move him. Ideally for me we would have Markov, Gorges, PK, Emelin, Diaz and Greene ( or somebody like him ) with Weber as the 7th.

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