Do you honestly think the team is better than last year? I think it's either even or slight advantage to last years team. Something is wrong with that. The cap payroll was probably higher last year too, even given the lower cap and penalty.
I think its a little better but i dont think we got rid of campbell this year to make us a better team this year...if that makes any sense. I think we unloaded him for future cap help and that makes this team a little worse than it could be. Also some of the players arnt playing as well as they should.
Mediocrity?? because we made the playoffs 3 years in a row they are mediocre? they WCF,Won the cup, and first round exit...look around and check the other teams that have done that
Anything but winning every year is going the wrong direction according to you...IT CANT HAPPEN...All i am saying is we are in a good position to have good teams for a long time which is a better direction than we were in.
Yes being just a play-off team for years to come and not winning or standing much of a chance to win is mediocrity and we have gone through it before. The Hawks made the playoffs 28 years in a row and won nothing, ask those teams if they felt they succeeded?
Let me explain sports to you because you obviously don't get it. Every team in the league has one goal, to win the championship and when you don't you failed. Yes every team can't win it every year but that doesn't mean you should be happy when they don't. More importantly when you don't win it, and this is where the Hawks have failed horribly, you get better so you can win it. This team is actually getting worse every year not better.
Yes being just a play-off team for years to come and not winning or standing much of a chance to win is mediocrity and we have gone through it before. The Hawks made the playoffs 28 years in a row and won nothing, ask those teams if they felt they succeeded?
Let me explain sports to you because you obviously don't get it. Every team in the league has one goal, to win the championship and when you don't you failed. Yes every team can't win it every year but that doesn't mean you should be happy when they don't. More importantly when you don't win it, and this is where the Hawks have failed horribly, you get better so you can win it. This team is actually getting worse every year not better.
OK thanks
Thay havnt won ONE SEASON since there last stanley cup...Thats the farthest from mediocrity (with your definition) than any other team in the league other than Boston.
No i dont think the hawks are even close to as good as they were in 2009-10 but thats because there 4 best players were on ECL...There isnt any team in the league thats as good as that team. I just dont get people writing off the season already.
Thay havnt won ONE SEASON since there last stanley cup...Thats the farthest from mediocrity (with your definition) than any other team in the league other than Boston.
No i dont think the hawks are even close to as good as they were in 2009-10 but thats because there 4 best players were on ECL...There isnt any team in the league thats as good as that team. I just dont get people writing off the season already.
Because this team is closer to not making the play-offs then winning anything and it's obvious they won't win the Cup and when your a Cup favorite and at one point the best team in the NHL and now are 6th and very close to 11th yes it's a time to write it off. This team has way to many holes to win anything and watching this team get mauled in the play-offs isn't my idea of a good time.
As far as my definition many teams aren't mediocre, again I said you either win or get better, St. Louis, New York, Philly, Vancouver, Nashville, Pittsburgh, just to name a few teams who didn't win but made moves to make themselves better, the Hawks haven't. Plus your talking about simply making the play-offs if the Hawks goal is to simply make the play-offs then they failed already.
Because this team is closer to not making the play-offs then winning anything and it's obvious they won't win the Cup and when your a Cup favorite and at one point the best team in the NHL and now are 6th and very close to 11th yes it's a time to write it off. This team has way to many holes to win anything and watching this team get mauled in the play-offs isn't my idea of a good time.
As far as my definition many teams aren't mediocre, again I said you either win or get better, St. Louis, New York, Philly, Vancouver, Nashville, Pittsburgh, just to name a few teams who didn't win but made moves to make themselves better, the Hawks haven't. Plus your talking about simply making the play-offs if the Hawks goal is to simply make the play-offs then they failed already.
A lot of speculation and opinion from you
You dont think there is any chance they can win the cup this year? So why do u watch if its failure already, gunna be mauled in the playoffs and PHILLY made such big strides this year that the hawks cant compete with them
You dont think there is any chance they can win the cup this year? So why do u watch if its failure already, gunna be mauled in the playoffs and PHILLY made such big strides this year that the hawks cant compete with them
Philly is better than the Hawks. And why do you watch???? What is that supposed to mean? A lot of us watched the team (and listened) every game even though we knew in training camp 8th place and maybe winning 2 playoff games would be a miracle. You always watch but you don't have to like what you see just because you do. And nobody I know would just tune out because they don't like the players or the direction the team is going in.
Philly is better than the Hawks. And why do you watch???? What is that supposed to mean? A lot of us watched the team (and listened) every game even though we knew in training camp 8th place and maybe winning 2 playoff games would be a miracle. You always watch but you don't have to like what you see just because you do. And nobody I know would just tune out because they don't like the players or the direction the team is going in.
Well i guess thats just the difference right there. I think this team is better then that.
You dont think there is any chance they can win the cup this year? So why do u watch if its failure already, gunna be mauled in the playoffs and PHILLY made such big strides this year that the hawks cant compete with them
If those teams win their games in hand suddenly the standings are
Blues 91pts
Canucks 90pts
Stars 79pts
Redwings 89 pts
Preds 83 pts
Stars 79 pts
Hawks 79 pts
Sharks 78pts
Kings 78pts
Coyotes 77 pts
The Hawks would be 7th and 2 points out of 11th. That is a fact not speculation. You can continue to throw away facts as crazy unproven thoughts but water is wet, the sky is blue, and this Blackhawks team isn't very good.
Good teams don't lose to the Oilers by a combined 17-6, good teams aren't in the 20s in GA, PP and PK, good teams don't lose 9 in a row giving up 3+ goals in every game, good teams goalies aren't 34 and 41 in SV%. It seems like your mistaking talent for a good team, do the Hawks have talented players, yes some very good players, but are they a good team, not right now.
I love the Hawks, I want them to win the Cup more than anything, have a decent amount of money on that happening this year. However, if they are going to end up in 8th, I wouldn't mind them missing instead. Obviously as a ticket holder, it's a big investment and I don't think it is a good one this year. This season has went absolutely nothing like I had hoped for or expected. If we miss the POs, that WILL force the drastic changes needed. Just going by what I read here, people are generally very happy with the direction of the organization. I'd like to see all of those people feel like the Hawks crapped on their head and missing the playoffs might do that. Once people are unhappy, change can be influenced.
Wow, the Stars have two teams in the west! Impressive!
No wonder it's so hard to make the playoffs. LOL
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Changes should be made no matter what happens in the end. This team needs to be tougher to play against, and we need tough forwards who can play big minutes. Unfortunately, teams don't give those guys away, and we have no prospects even close to that.
I love the Hawks, I want them to win the Cup more than anything, have a decent amount of money on that happening this year. However, if they are going to end up in 8th, I wouldn't mind them missing instead. Obviously as a ticket holder, it's a big investment and I don't think it is a good one this year. This season has went absolutely nothing like I had hoped for or expected. If we miss the POs, that WILL force the drastic changes needed. Just going by what I read here, people are generally very happy with the direction of the organization. I'd like to see all of those people feel like the Hawks crapped on their head and missing the playoffs might do that. Once people are unhappy, change can be influenced.
So basically if the Hawks are not going to win the division you don't want them to make the playoffs? Did you not take tests in school that you did not have a 100% chance to get a A on? I have been coming to there forums for 2 years now having to read your terrible trade proposals and posts about goalies when you don't have a clue what you are talking about but this post makes me sick to my stomach as a Hawks fan. ANY team can win in the playoffs and as a season ticket holder I am all for them making the playoffs even if I have to pay more. The NHL is not the NBA becasue year after year you see teams that are lower seeds win. If a team goes on a run during the playoffs they can do the same thing as the Cardinals did this year in MLB (I think the MLB playoffs are just like the NHL playoffs in a lot of ways).
The fanbase is messed up IMO. Too many new fans (some old too, I guess??) giving off the impression that everything is fine but there are so many flaws with the organization/team. The organization seems to think is everything is fine too. It's not. I'm not happy with it, at all. I don't want to see making the playoffs and seeing what happens the goal. It's extremely difficult to make it as an 8th seed and win the Cup. It's not like baseball.
I have been coming to there forums for 2 years now having to read your terrible trade proposals and posts about goalies when you don't have a clue what you are talking about but this post makes me sick to my stomach as a Hawks fan. ANY team can win in the playoffs and as a season ticket holder I am all for them making the playoffs even if I have to pay more. The NHL is not the NBA becasue year after year you see teams that are lower seeds win. If a team goes on a run during the playoffs they can do the same thing as the Cardinals did this year in MLB (I think the MLB playoffs are just like the NHL playoffs in a lot of ways).
This post makes me sick. No content, just b.s. You make strong statements with no elaboration.
Montoya (UFA) and a 4th Round pick for a 1st round pick. Why in the heck would we pay that much for an unproven injured goaltender that is going to be a free agent? Yes he might light it up but there is an equal chance that he could flop and would would be out of a first round draft pick.
Luke Schenn for Jeremy Morin, Kyle Beach, and Dylan Olsen
Why would we give up 3 of our top prospects for a d-man that is a 6-7 this year? Olsen can fill that role just as well and we get to keep Morin and Beach (who has started to turn the corner development-wise).
I am sure NJ would want to trade a top prospect and NHL all-star for Kane. This is better but still bad because we would be getting two people who will/are all-stars for one all-star (would be great for the Hawks though).
Miller for Crawford, Johns, and 2nd round pick 2012
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Miller for Crawford, Pirri, 2nd
While Miller was struggling the Sabres would never trade him for another struggling tender that is not completely proven and getting paid when they have a great goltenting prospect. You just don't trade people like Miller.
Ryan Suter for Dylan Olsen,1st round pick 2012, 1st round pick 2013, and 1st round pick 2015
I am fairly sure Nashville is not rebuilding and you don't trade 3 first round picks and your top d-man prospect when you are not 99% sure he will resign with you.
More elaboration.
Basically every year you see high seeds lose to lower seeds in baseball and football. You rarely ever see a higher seed lose to a higher one in basketball. One hot pitcher or hitter can win a series for a team just like a goalie of forward going off in a NHL series. Go back and look at the history of this and you will see that it is true. (Hell the Green Bay Smackers were a wild card team!)
I did not mean to personally attack you but want a team to make the playoffs and thinking everything is 100% ok are completely different things.
Well, you make as many trade proposals as I have and some will certainly reflect the emotion of what I was feeling at that time. Some will get trashed, certainly some have been loved by both sides. I get bashed for giving too much up more than getting too much back. Sometimes I just want to see if I can get the other side to sign on just to see if it is even possible. IMO, fans on HFboards are much more stingy than real life GMs. Look at the proposals vs. actual trades. The Montoya trade specifically, that was early in the season when I felt we were doomed with the current combo and needed someone to come in and seriously challenge/take the No. 1 job. It's also someone I assume would have interest in staying. Look, I'm not looking to win anyone over or win any posting awards here. I say what I see and feel at the time and it's been proven right significantly more than wrong (and I have certainly been wrong before and will again). Regardless, I just don't give a damn and am not shy whatsoever, hence why I have so many people following me around. I take it as a complement, especially considering this site features the ignore function.
I get what you are saying and I respect that you take the time to post but your original post about not having the team make the playoffs rubbed me the wrong way. Your opinions on trades or our goalies never really bugs me becasue they are you opinions but saying that they don't want to be in the playoffs is not an acceptable mindset to me becasue we were so bad for so long that we all should understand how hard it is to even get in the postseason. You can ignore me if you want because I am sure my posts can be annoying and long winded.
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No, the only one I have ever ignored, even for a day, and will maybe continue to do so, maybe just take him off, is MagicSlap. That's the only one I just got sick of reading. Massive too, I ingored him for a couple days, he did the same but all is well now as far as I am concerned, just got heated about something stupid. The playoff thing, well, I just really don't like the attitude of our fanbase as a whole. There are some really knowlegeable people here saying everything is fine (generally speaking) and it makes me want to throw up. Then I hear and see Bowman throw it all in the players laps at the trade deadline and I really have to wonder if he thinks making the playoffs as a low seed, as we likely will, is acceptable. The last thing I want, as a long time diehard fan and STH, is for him to feel justified or that he did the right thing because I think he's gone off the reservation or Wirtz is responsible for this and that would make me even more angry to be honest. Last year, I was excited about paying for the playoffs because everybody on all fronts, (coaching, Bowman and players) were trying desparately to make the most out of that season down the stretch and in the POs. It was easy to get behind that. This year, I have to admit, I feel cheated as a Hawks fan and the fact that most feel opposite, at least on this site anyway (people who I enjoy talking/fighting about Hawks with)...I just cannot comprehend that. I want us all pulling in the right direction (Cup) because the collective voice of the fanbase is the only one we have and I really feel some bad errors have been committed by the organization and haven't gotten the negative attention they should have.
1. games in hand are good, I prefer the games we already have won
2. We are all not happy with the way this teams play. But being realistic, you can't win the cup every year. Make the POs, give the young guys some ice time in the NHL and see how far you can go. Hope that CC finally is the CC from last year and stays like this
The playoff thing, well, I just really don't like the attitude of our fanbase as a whole. There are some really knowlegeable people here saying everything is fine (generally speaking) and it makes me want to throw up. Then I hear and see Bowman throw it all in the players laps at the trade deadline and I really have to wonder if he thinks making the playoffs as a low seed, as we likely will, is acceptable. The last thing I want, as a long time diehard fan and STH, is for him to feel justified or that he did the right thing because I think he's gone off the reservation or Wirtz is responsible for this and that would make me even more angry to be honest. Last year, I was excited about paying for the playoffs because everybody on all fronts, (coaching, Bowman and players) were trying desparately to make the most out of that season down the stretch and in the POs. It was easy to get behind that. This year, I have to admit, I feel cheated as a Hawks fan and the fact that most feel opposite, at least on this site anyway (people who I enjoy talking/fighting about Hawks with)...I just cannot comprehend that. I want us all pulling in the right direction (Cup) because the collective voice of the fanbase is the only one we have and I really feel some bad errors have been committed by the organization and haven't gotten the negative attention they should have.
This season has been a disappointment, no doubt. But I certainly differ in the opinion that the Hawks should be a dichotomous team: Major Cup contender or Tank for the best draft pick.
I see lots of value to making the playoffs this year even if the Hawks are a long-shot odds to win the Cup. Playoff experience for younger players can really only be a good thing. Also consistently making the playoffs builds a winning philosophy as a whole. Maybe this team has rested on its 2010 Cup laurels recently but bowing out in the first round is not what the players, coaches, or management wants.
As far as Stan goes, who knows what freedom he had with the Hawks payroll. Rocky is paying 10 million to play outside of Chicago, and paying the players in Chicago more than their collective cap hits. Maybe this year was a secondary relief year from the Cap hell of 2010?
If not, and Stan had financial freedom to make moves, perhaps he saw a team that had too many holes to fill at the deadline. Making one move was easy and it has helped the Hawks get back on track - somewhat. Making no moves and watch the team sink would be somewhat disasterous, as well as selling valuable players at the deadline only to have to replace them this summer.
If those teams win their games in hand suddenly the standings are
Blues 91pts
Canucks 90pts
Stars 79pts
Redwings 89 pts
Preds 83 pts
Stars 79 pts
Hawks 79 pts
Sharks 78pts
Kings 78pts
Coyotes 77 pts
The Hawks would be 7th and 2 points out of 11th. That is a fact not speculation. You can continue to throw away facts as crazy unproven thoughts but water is wet, the sky is blue, and this Blackhawks team isn't very good.
Good teams don't lose to the Oilers by a combined 17-6, good teams aren't in the 20s in GA, PP and PK, good teams don't lose 9 in a row giving up 3+ goals in every game, good teams goalies aren't 34 and 41 in SV%. It seems like your mistaking talent for a good team, do the Hawks have talented players, yes some very good players, but are they a good team, not right now.
This is a little ridiculous in my opinion, as some of these teams play each other in their next couple of games and you would expect them to get about 1.1-1.2 pts per game played on average, you wouldn't assume every team would win every game-in-hand.
This is a little ridiculous in my opinion, as some of these teams play each other in their next couple of games and you would expect them to get about 1.1-1.2 pts per game played on average, you wouldn't assume every team would win every game-in-hand.
It was a hypothetical because he offered one too. I am not saying it is going to happen.
Well, you make as many trade proposals as I have and some will certainly reflect the emotion of what I was feeling at that time. Some will get trashed, certainly some have been loved by both sides. I get bashed for giving too much up more than getting too much back. Sometimes I just want to see if I can get the other side to sign on just to see if it is even possible. IMO, fans on HFboards are much more stingy than real life GMs. Look at the proposals vs. actual trades. The Montoya trade specifically, that was early in the season when I felt we were doomed with the current combo and needed someone to come in and seriously challenge/take the No. 1 job. It's also someone I assume would have interest in staying. Look, I'm not looking to win anyone over or win any posting awards here. I say what I see and feel at the time and it's been proven right significantly more than wrong (and I have certainly been wrong before and will again). Regardless, I just don't give a damn and am not shy whatsoever, hence why I have so many people following me around. I take it as a complement, especially considering this site features the ignore function.
There is nothing wrong with being passionate about this team. Although we don't always agree, you obviously give a dam and I applaud that. It is the folks that sit back like lambs and say things like you're overreacting, certain players are playing fine even though they aren't, the coaching staff knows what they're doing, the team will be fine, it's only one game ..etc ... etc ... that drives me crazy.
This team, in a few short months, has gone from a possible contender to a rebuilder and I don''t think the core players will be too happy about that! And I don't blame them one bit if they aren't pleased.
