Maybe, but being more aggressive and flashy, not that Dumba isn't a good player he clearly is, doesn't mean higher compete level.
Would you say that Celine had a high compete level then a Scott Neidermayer because he's more aggressive? Just my take.
I think any prospect taken in the top 10 has a high compete level so the point should be moot. If a prospect is lacking that drive they usually drop see Angelo Esposito for reference.
While his father was a primarily offensive-minded player, the Edmonton Oil Kings defender is much more balanced. Strangely, the same qualities that have made him a great WHL player are also what may put him “under-the-radar” as far as high-end prospects are concerned. Reinhart is a coach’s ideal of a two-way defender – he’s big (6-foot-4 and 200 pounds), surprisingly mobile for his size and positionally-strong. He’s also blessed with a good eye, something that has come in handy while quarterbacking the Oil Kings power-play (5 of his 12 goals this season have been scored with the extra man).
There are so many good D prospects in the top-end, it's ridiculous.
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I hear ya, never heard any of this BS up until a couple weeks ago, now all of a sudden, he's lazy, poor work ethic yada yada yada...i call BS and i'm willing to bet its a scout (or scouts) from another lotto team that is hoping he slips to them and also hoping the Oilers dont pick him...if he goes past #3 MAX, i'll eat my own shorts (the used ones, not the fresh ones lol)...he will be gone before #3 guaranteed, nobody passes up a 2 way C with that size (i'll bet there are a few teams that will regret not taking Couterier by the time its all said and done).
I dont know about it either. But I do know that the most vocal Grigorenko critics also seem to be the most vocal Gagner supporters.
doughty-dumba: high event, dynamic, risk taking, likes to be physical
bogosian-reinhart: all the physical tools, very raw talent, prolonged development
petro-murray: extremely smooth, cerebral player, makes the right plays, collects points through simple+smart plays, not physical
which of 2008 guys would you prefer? do you prefer the 2012 comparable i have proposed? if not, what do you see as the differences?
doughty-dumba: high event, dynamic, risk taking, likes to be physical
bogosian-reinhart: all the physical tools, very raw talent, prolonged development
petro-murray: extremely smooth, cerebral player, makes the right plays, collects points through simple+smart plays, not physical
which of 2008 guys would you prefer? do you prefer the 2012 comparable i have proposed? if not, what do you see as the differences?
Petro vs Murray seems a bit off
Murray is more like a less physical Schenn (safe pick)
It seems like the guy best suited to the kind of team the Oilers are building would be Dumba. Plus he has the familiarity with RNH. That said I haven't seen enough of Murray or Dumba, so if Murray really is a lot better defensively, I'd take him.
What I mean by my first comment is that a guy like Dumba who pushes the pace of the game would probably benefit Hall, Eberle, Hemsky even. However, a steady guy could calm the game down and maybe that's what the Oilers are going to need?
Does anyone know when Rielly is expected to be back from injury? Would like to see him play more as his offensive upside looks like it might be the best of the bunch.
Also for those that have seen more of them... what's the negatives on each of Thrower and Pouliot that are keeping them from joining the other top end dmen?
Does anyone know when Rielly is expected to be back from injury? Would like to see him play more as his offensive upside looks like it might be the best of the bunch.
Rielly started skating 2 weeks ago. Suppose to see another doctor to see how his injury is sometime later this month.
I think they say he probably won't be ready for the playoffs. We'll see.
[QUOTE=Paneer14;45712713]Huge game against Montreal tomorrow.
Need a loss, otherwise
The Oilers will get one of Yakupov, Grigorenko, Murray, Dumba, Galchenyuk or Reinhart (unless they trade away their 1st) so no matter which way you look at it they come up a winner in the draft.
I dont know about it either. But I do know that the most vocal Grigorenko critics also seem to be the most vocal Gagner supporters.
yeah, you might be right there, but we all know we need to get bigger in our top 6 and if we still have the 2nd pick, how do you pass up on a potential Malkin type of player? If we pick lower than 2, its obviously going to be a dman, still not sure which one would be the best for our team though, they all bring something different, and they all bring something that we could use, dont really think any of them will be a bad pick.
Need a loss, otherwise finishing #2 overall would be a coin-flip at best.
I'm not even sure we will be picking in the top 5 this year. The Oilers are playing a lot better hockey right now then most people think imo.
We are going to crush Montreal tomorrow.
Good thing there are a lot of quality picks this year and only 1 real superstar. We could still get the second best player while picking 6th or 7th.
Comically reminds me of the year they voted Rory Fitzpatrick into the All Star Game.
Murray (Niedermayer clone) has an effortless approach to playing defense. He's a natural! Dumba though, Dumba works really hard to do what he does.
I'm not even speaking about "style of play", I'm speaking about general competitive fire.
The only person on the Oilers than may trump Dumba is Hall in that regard IMO. This guy will go after anyone, doesn't matter if they're 20, 30 pounds heavier than him, he doesn't hesitate. Kid has a big heart.
Also Murray's numbers are no where close to Neidermayer's junior totals in the WHL. He'll be a good NHL d-man, but I would not expect him to be the second coming of Neidermayer.
I think Wade Redden with less offense is the more apt comparison.
If oilers fell to 5 or 6 spot would anyone consider Galchenyuk? Or maybe just go with someone like Rienhart or Dumba.
I would say Galchenyuk is going to be the steal of the draft hasn't played this year but had a great year last year. No question I would take him #2. Though as others have stated Yakupov is very very far ahead of the others.
Not only that he has RNH body size he gets even a bit bigger another beast. Though obviously RW what do you do, pretty deep there
Personally I think a team like CBJ could pass on him... and I know this is a stretch, but having a decade of not having that coveted center (now having Johansen; losing Carter could very well see them going with another Center perhaps Grigorenko)
Nash has been good, but perhaps they may see the same thing with Yakupov a forward that can score, but much like Ovechkin in washington unless Backstrom is on top of his game Ovechkin is cold.
Essentially many teams see the Chicago, and Pittsburgh molds depth down the middle and you take a chance on that, because it has been proven you can win with that... look no further to Vancouver and Pittsburgh and there dominance down the middle. Also both Pittsburgh and Vancouver can have a world class center in Malkin; Sedin and it doesn't matter who the wingers are cause the center makes them better.
A play making center could be in CBJ's cards way before a RW.
doughty-dumba: high event, dynamic, risk taking, likes to be physical
bogosian-reinhart: all the physical tools, very raw talent, prolonged development
petro-murray: extremely smooth, cerebral player, makes the right plays, collects points through simple+smart plays, not physical
which of 2008 guys would you prefer? do you prefer the 2012 comparable i have proposed? if not, what do you see as the differences?
Some comps I can see:
Dumba: Doughty; Kronwall; Giordano; Chelios
Murray: Keith; neidermayer (if offense projects); Alzner (if offense doesn't project)
Reinhart: John Carlson; Weber (comp used a lot don't see the consistent physical game in Reinhart)
If oilers fell to 5 or 6 spot would anyone consider Galchenyuk? Or maybe just go with someone like Rienhart or Dumba.
I'd consider Galchenyuk at 3 or 4, and possibly 2. Depending on how his MRIs look when he brings them to the combine. He had an incredible season last year. According to a few sources he may even be back late this season. I really hope that happens so Stu and co. can get a chance to go out a see him.
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