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02-15-2012, 02:42 AM
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is there even a rivalry between EDM-CGY? seems like oiler fans are happy Calgary beat us

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is there even a rivalry between EDM-CGY? seems like oiler fans are happy Calgary beat us
Kinda difficult to have much of a rivalry with anyone when you're shooting for your third bottom-three pick in a row

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02-15-2012, 04:52 AM
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is there even a rivalry between EDM-CGY? seems like oiler fans are happy Calgary beat us
The rivalry gets thrown to the side when it comes to a common enemy: the Leafs.

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02-15-2012, 06:42 AM
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Game was closer than the score showed, obvious big difference was the Goaltending.

Gustavsson wasn't awful but as a Team they give up too many easy goals.

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02-15-2012, 06:51 AM
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It's incredible that the Leafs, despite sucking for so many years, still don't have a #1 center, #1 goalie (or even a good #2) or a legitimate top pairing defenseman and are somehow right up against the salary cap. Truly pathetic.
I don't know what people are expecting, despite sucking for years they still sell out almost every leaf game. Why would they change anything if they make tons of money with the current teams. Anyway I'm glad I skipped yesterday's game, will probably skip the next one too. Hate getting frustrated watching them play. Also can't stand Gus and reimer, we need a bonafide #1. A part of me wants them to lose now, maybe the fans will get angry enough and the organization will notice their pockets shrinking and maybe finally burkie will do something useful.

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I wish that our players had clearly defined roles. That's how good teams are coached.

Like Schenn and Komi shutting down the best lines in hockey. Told to never take a step forward in the defensive zone, and instead park at the side of the crease and crush anything that moves. It's the roaming that gets them in trouble. The staff seems to encourage it.

Steckel could take a regular energy shift with Brown and Rosey/Crabb and then become the faceoff specialist when the game got real. Win the draw, get off the ice as soon as possible.

Brown's line could be used like a proper 4th line: hit everything, don't stop skating, and get off the ice within 25 seconds.

Instead it seems like no one knows what they're doing. Brown's deep in the zone for 70 second shifts trying to chip in offensively. Komi and Schenn are roaming and trying to deke their way into the offensive zone. Phaneuf doesn't know if he's supposed to be an offensive D or a shutdown D-man. And that pretty much sums up everyone: most of our roster is trying to play a two way game and most suck at it.

Maybe that doesn't make sense, but I think it does.
Makes perfect sense, and I've made similar comments about that when Beauchemin was a pinch machine.

The 4th. line gets carried away trying to score, at times all of them at or behind the opposition net.

But even if some knew their jobs, I still cannot believe someone put Schenn and Komisarek together ... for an offensive zone face-off even. Neither one of them can skate and there they are trying to retreat into their own zone ...

Flawed team, flawed coaching.

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02-15-2012, 06:55 AM
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Phaneuf has been horrible lately

Promote gardiner to number one D status because he has been our only good D these past 4 games and give phagoof less minutes until he deserves them

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02-15-2012, 07:19 AM
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Trade Phaneuf + for Nash


lets get this ******** out of town
Burke has made some disasterous moves in his time in Toronto...perhaps no bigger than naming Phaneuf captain and then giving him 30 minutes of icetime per night like he is Chris effin Pronger. It appears to me that their are leadership issues on this team right now. This last 4 game skid shows as much. I mean they are in a playoff race for the first time in forever, and they are failing to "show up" for big games. That shows a lack of leadership. I mean its one thing to get outmatched by a better team because you were beaten by a better team....but that hasn't been the case of late. Not at all.

Lets just keep fooling ourselves and tell ourselves that Ron Wilson is an effective coach....one of the winningest of alltime...Phaneuf is an elite defenseman...top 10 in the league and the right choice for captain....and possibly the biggest lie of them all...that Brian Burke is the best GM in hockey for this marketplace.

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02-15-2012, 07:27 AM
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Burke has made some disasterous moves in his time in Toronto...perhaps no bigger than naming Phaneuf captain and then giving him 30 minutes of icetime per night like he is Chris effin Pronger. It appears to me that their are leadership issues on this team right now. This last 4 game skid shows as much. I mean they are in a playoff race for the first time in forever, and they are failing to "show up" for big games. That shows a lack of leadership. I mean its one thing to get outmatched by a better team because you were beaten by a better team....but that hasn't been the case of late. Not at all.

Lets just keep fooling ourselves and tell ourselves that Ron Wilson is an effective coach....one of the winningest of alltime...Phaneuf is an elite defenseman...top 10 in the league and the right choice for captain....and possibly the biggest lie of them all...that Brian Burke is the best GM in hockey for this marketplace.
before you jump off a cliff, this **** team is still in a playoff spot

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before you jump off a cliff, this **** team is still in a playoff spot
So what? Look at the bigger picture dude. How many of the current roster's players are "keepers"..I know there aren't many Leaf fans left alive that could envision what a championship team looks like but try to envision that. Who on the current roster do you think will still be in a Leaf uniform when this team is ready to be considered a contender? Be honest with yourself. If you are happy with an 8th seed first round spanking. Then congratulations...this is the team for you.

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02-15-2012, 07:56 AM
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it's called progress. chill.

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I have no problem with being upset when they lose/get blown out as long as they try hard.

This is not yet a good team.

Good teams don't struggle to win more than they lose. This team is currently playing less than .500 wrt to wins.

So we should be happy with the way the 1st. line played last night.

Can't be happy with the defense, it was confused.

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02-15-2012, 08:40 AM
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Get nash!! And get a new defensive system!

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02-15-2012, 08:41 AM
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Sometimes it is how they are playing and not the score.
Millen and Bowen were hilarious last night. They are very good at propaganda for the Leafs.

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02-15-2012, 08:44 AM
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So what? Look at the bigger picture dude. How many of the current roster's players are "keepers"..I know there aren't many Leaf fans left alive that could envision what a championship team looks like but try to envision that. Who on the current roster do you think will still be in a Leaf uniform when this team is ready to be considered a contender? Be honest with yourself. If you are happy with an 8th seed first round spanking. Then congratulations...this is the team for you.
Kessel, Lupul, Grabovski, Kulemin, Bozak, Gunnarsson, Schenn, Gardiner, Franson, Reimer (all have good attitudes, play with heart, and are actually talented).

Phaneuf is arguable, he can be amazing one night and terrible the next.

IMO:

XXXX - XXXX - Kessel
Lupul - Grabovski - Kulemin
XXXX - Bozak - XXXX

XXXX - XXXX
Schenn - Gardiner
Gunnarsson - Franson

Reimer
XXXX

Those are our keepers. 4 large holes to fill, however, Gunnarsson and Lupul are adequate players to fill the 1st line LW and #2 D

I don't think many people realize just how bad our 3rd line is. IMO a strong 3rd line is crucial for a cup winning team, and that is something that is blatantly absent.


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This is a no-lose season as far as Im concerned. Desperately want us to make the playoffs and I imagine it will come down to the wire if we do. If we don't, then I can't see anyway RW is back next year and we do get a higher draft pick...both positives.

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I wish that our players had clearly defined roles. That's how good teams are coached.

Like Schenn and Komi shutting down the best lines in hockey. Told to never take a step forward in the defensive zone, and instead park at the side of the crease and crush anything that moves. It's the roaming that gets them in trouble. The staff seems to encourage it.

Steckel could take a regular energy shift with Brown and Rosey/Crabb and then become the faceoff specialist when the game got real. Win the draw, get off the ice as soon as possible.

Brown's line could be used like a proper 4th line: hit everything, don't stop skating, and get off the ice within 25 seconds.

Instead it seems like no one knows what they're doing. Brown's deep in the zone for 70 second shifts trying to chip in offensively. Komi and Schenn are roaming and trying to deke their way into the offensive zone. Phaneuf doesn't know if he's supposed to be an offensive D or a shutdown D-man. And that pretty much sums up everyone: most of our roster is trying to play a two way game and most suck at it.

Maybe that doesn't make sense, but I think it does.
I can honestly say that I've never disliked a Leaf coach more than Wilson (and I've been a Leaf fan since Salming was a rookie).

Look at well-coached teams like Detroit, Nashville, Boston. They are well-oiled machines, where everybody has a clearly defined role, knows exactly where they're supposed to be, where their teammates are, breakout passes are crisp etc.

That's definitely not the case here. One consistent through 4 years of Wilson has been the inability to get the puck out of our end. We still see blind, cross-ice passes in the neutral zone, or Dmen chipping the puck up along the boards to no one. And even when there's someone there, too often it's a small, soft player who loses the battle for the puck anyway. Wilson is so obsessed with his speed, speed, speed philosophy that he continues to play unproductive smurfs on the 3rd line, while choosing to sit Armstrong, one of the only board-battlers we have. Is there a more ineffective 3rd line in hockey?

And how often can one team screw up a simple line change?

Some of Wilson's decisions make absolutely no sense whatsoever:

Komisarek is a healthy scratch, and when he gets back in he's suddenly on our #1 shutdown pair... disaster. Then he pairs him with Schenn... the worst possible combo imaginable!

Army comes back from injury, and our 4th line (Army, Steckel, Brown) actually plays like a 4th line, providing energy, being physical, getting the cycle going. Then the idiot decides to dress Boyce, so he sits Army instead of Connolly, Lombardi or Crabb. Yup, we can't break up our 3rd line... they've been so good! Un-freakin-believable!

Our 2nd line has been picking it up lately, and Kulemin has been looking more like himself, so he breaks it up and elevates Connolly (not scoring, not fast, doesn't hit) to the 2nd line. What the hell has he done to deserve a promotion?

It goes on and on with this guy, but according to Burke, Wilson has been our 1st star this year.

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Sums up my feelings.

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Well maybe no team meeting this time.

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I can honestly say that I've never disliked a Leaf coach more than Wilson (and I've been a Leaf fan since Salming was a rookie).

Look at well-coached teams like Detroit, Nashville, Boston. They are well-oiled machines, where everybody has a clearly defined role, knows exactly where they're supposed to be, where their teammates are, breakout passes are crisp etc.

That's definitely not the case here. One consistent through 4 years of Wilson has been the inability to get the puck out of our end. We still see blind, cross-ice passes in the neutral zone, or Dmen chipping the puck up along the boards to no one. And even when there's someone there, too often it's a small, soft player who loses the battle for the puck anyway. Wilson is so obsessed with his speed, speed, speed philosophy that he continues to play unproductive smurfs on the 3rd line, while choosing to sit Armstrong, one of the only board-battlers we have. Is there a more ineffective 3rd line in hockey?

And how often can one team screw up a simple line change?

Some of Wilson's decisions make absolutely no sense whatsoever:

Komisarek is a healthy scratch, and when he gets back in he's suddenly on our #1 shutdown pair... disaster. Then he pairs him with Schenn... the worst possible combo imaginable!

Army comes back from injury, and our 4th line (Army, Steckel, Brown) actually plays like a 4th line, providing energy, being physical, getting the cycle going. Then the idiot decides to dress Boyce, so he sits Army instead of Connolly, Lombardi or Crabb. Yup, we can't break up our 3rd line... they've been so good! Un-freakin-believable!

Our 2nd line has been picking it up lately, and Kulemin has been looking more like himself, so he breaks it up and elevates Connolly (not scoring, not fast, doesn't hit) to the 2nd line. What the hell has he done to deserve a promotion?

It goes on and on with this guy, but according to Burke, Wilson has been our 1st star this year.
This, AND what you quoted. All day.

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I had the Calgary feed, so didn't have the pleasure.

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I honestly hope we miss the playoffs.

'Generate some awareness and some resulting activity in moving some players that just plain suck for future pieces again.

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Ach, now things are starting to get serious. A bad, bad time for their first 4-game losing streak of the year.

Gunnar is a huge loss. F Jay Rosehill.

Aulie better be in for Komisarek tonight. Christ is Komi awful.

Even though the scoreline was lopsided, I feel better about their performance in this one than I did in the previous 3 losses. I don't think the scoreline reflected the play in this one. They showed some signs that they might be ready to break out of their funk.

And they better break out soon....a couple of more losses and it's panic button time.


Owuya, Frattin, and Kadri should all be on the verge of a callup at the moment.

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Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
MacA - Grabo - Kadri
Kuly - Connolly - Frattin
Brown - Steckel - Boyce

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Liles - Franson
Gardiner - Schenn

Reimer
Owuya

Waived: Crabb, Rosehill, Gus
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