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02-16-2012, 01:17 PM
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Come off it! Once again, you watch the game you want to watch.

Keith was more concerned about the puck hitting him then anything else. The guy has oodles of talent but Iím sick of him playing unintelligent hockey and making low percentage or just plain stupid plays at crucial times in a game. Whether it is fatigue related or not, I donít know but if it is a factor, Q needs to recognize that and take action.

I donít think Emery or CC is the answer in our nets but letís not just sweep the mistakes of our star players under the rug. There is not a single answer to the teamís problems and ignoring mistakes by certain (star) players is a cancer that grows.
I'm the last that ignores mistakes from guys like Keith or Toews, but you can't blame him when the goalie should bail him out.

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Did you watch the game? Are you blind?

The puck CLEARLY deflected off of keiths stick, and Emery looked up at Keith like WTH?

Keith is mainly to blame.
Deflected clearly 1 inch... Emery hasn't looked at Keith. Emery didn't even move because of this mistake, because he just lost us the game. Emery hasn't had 1 save that another starter wouldn't have had. Emery stopped the shots he needed to stop for most of the time... most of the time...


only 3 teams (EDM, CBJ, TB) have equal or worse goaltending than the Hawks... Every other team has 1-2 guys that would be our starter from day 1.

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02-16-2012, 01:41 PM
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Deflected clearly 1 inch... Emery hasn't looked at Keith. Emery didn't even move because of this mistake, because he just lost us the game. Emery hasn't had 1 save that another starter wouldn't have had. Emery stopped the shots he needed to stop for most of the time... most of the time...


only 3 teams (EDM, CBJ, TB) have equal or worse goaltending than the Hawks... Every other team has 1-2 guys that would be our starter from day 1.
Yep, this is the year of the goalie. This is the year where great goaltending grows on trees, except for the Hawks of course.

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1 Henrik Lundqvist, G NYR .941
2 Brian Elliott, G STL .939
3 Jonathan Quick, G LA .934
4 Tuukka Rask, G BOS .932
5 Tim Thomas, G BOS .928
Cory Schneider, G VAN .928
7 Mike Smith, G PHX .925
Evgeni Nabokov, G NYI .925
9 Pekka Rinne, G NSH .924
Jimmy Howard, G DET .924
11 Jaroslav Halak, G STL .923
Jean-Sebastien Giguere, G COL .923
13 Miikka Kiprusoff, G CGY .922
Roberto Luongo, G VAN .922
Niklas Backstrom, G MIN .922
16 Tomas Vokoun, G WSH .920
Josh Harding, G MIN .920
18 Jhonas Enroth, G BUF .919
19 Kari Lehtonen, G DAL .918
20 Carey Price, G MTL .917
Antti Niemi, G SJ .917
Jose Theodore, G FLA .917
23 Nikolai Khabibulin, G EDM .915
Curtis Sanford, G CBJ .915
25 Al Montoya, G NYI .914
26 Cam Ward, G CAR .912
27 Marc-Andre Fleury, G PIT .911
28 Craig Anderson, G OTT .910
29 Ondrej Pavelec, G WPG .909
Ryan Miller, G BUF .909
31 Jonas Hiller, G ANA .908
Devan Dubnyk, G EDM .908
Johan Hedberg, G NJ .908
Scott Clemmensen, G FLA .908
35 Jonas Gustavsson, G TOR .906
James Reimer, G TOR .906
37 Sergei Bobrovsky, G PHI .902
38 Mathieu Garon, G TB .901
Semyon Varlamov, G COL .901
Martin Brodeur, G NJ .901
41 Ilya Bryzgalov, G PHI .900
42 Ray Emery, G CHI .899
43 Corey Crawford, G CHI .898
44 Michal Neuvirth, G WSH .894
45 Steve Mason, G CBJ .887
46 Dwayne Roloson, G TB .881
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02-16-2012, 01:45 PM
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Put Elliott in Quenneville's "system" and see how good he would look. Not very.

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I don't believe in coincidences. I just find it hard to believe that we could have two goalies who both happen to suck at the same time and not assign at least 50% of the blame to the defense.

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02-16-2012, 01:53 PM
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I take 40 of the 41 goalies over what we have...

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I don't believe in coincidences. I just find it hard to believe that we could have two goalies who both happen to suck at the same time and not assign at least 50% of the blame to the defense.
The defense is responsibile to a point but not 50%, certainly not more. Both of our guys look like garbage technically and move like statues.

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02-16-2012, 02:04 PM
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The defense is responsibile to a point but not 50%, certainly not more. Both of our guys look like garbage technically and move like statues.
Technically, Crawford is one of the best goaltenders in the league. His problems don't come from his technical skill, they come when he gets sliding all over the place and being too aggressive.

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Technically, Crawford is one of the best goaltenders in the league. His problems don't come from his technical skill, they come when he gets sliding all over the place and being too aggressive.
No crap sherlock. I've been saying that since October and now he is just a mess technically and won't go back to the way he was last year. He's playing like Thomas with a tenth of the athletic skill.

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Technically, Crawford is one of the best goaltenders in the league. His problems don't come from his technical skill, they come when he gets sliding all over the place and being too aggressive.
yup. I'd like to see him stay in his net more. He's just not athletic enough to be sliding all over and comin out all the time.

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Technically, Crawford is one of the best goaltenders in the league. His problems don't come from his technical skill, they come when he gets sliding all over the place and being too aggressive.
So basically, they come from him not being very good on his technical skill.

He certainly knew his angles last year, but this year someone keeps spreading invisible banana peels all over his crease.

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02-16-2012, 02:12 PM
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No crap sherlock. I've been saying that since October and now he is just a mess technically and won't go back to the way he was last year. He's playing like Thomas with a tenth of the athletic skill.
Now, now. No need to use derogatory terms like "sherlock".

P.S, is it too late to take you up on your bet about Salak?

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No crap sherlock. I've been saying that since October and now he is just a mess technically and won't go back to the way he was last year. He's playing like Thomas with a tenth of the athletic skill.
not to mention, Boston's defense is one of the best in the league in clearing rebounds and not losing their guy...

can't say the same for the hawks.

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02-16-2012, 02:18 PM
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So basically, they come from him not being very good on his technical skill.

He certainly knew his angles last year, but this year someone keeps spreading invisible banana peels all over his crease.
Yes and no. When he's played within himself this year, he's been good.. and despite his stats, he has had good games and good stretches this year. But especially on this current slide, he's been second guessing himself too often. Over-commiting, being too aggressive.

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I'm the last that ignores mistakes from guys like Keith or Toews, but you can't blame him when the goalie should bail him out.



Deflected clearly 1 inch... Emery hasn't looked at Keith. Emery didn't even move because of this mistake, because he just lost us the game. Emery hasn't had 1 save that another starter wouldn't have had. Emery stopped the shots he needed to stop for most of the time... most of the time...


only 3 teams (EDM, CBJ, TB) have equal or worse goaltending than the Hawks... Every other team has 1-2 guys that would be our starter from day 1.
I'm not arguing that he isnt playing like **** right now.

If the deflection doesnt happen Emery saves it. Thats all.

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02-16-2012, 07:43 PM
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if Emery isn't bad, he saves it

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if Emery isn't bad, he saves it
If the team isn't terrible defensively, Emery is a decent back up.

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29 other GMs disagree. Nobody wanted him

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29 other GMs disagree. Nobody wanted him
Good for them, Emery was great as a back up before the team started playing dismal. He was winning the majority of his games and made saves when needed. Lately, he has been less effective, just like the rest of the team.

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Like nobody wanted Vokoun.

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29 other GMs disagree. Nobody wanted him

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Like nobody wanted Vokoun.
or Elliot.

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I wanted both.

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Emery is fine as a backup which is what he's supposed to be. He's only gettting scapegoating because he isn't rescuing the goaltending situation as once again our starter fails. Crawford's pretty lousy. He makes routine saves difficult and usually just ends up sliding out of his crease and on the ice while the other teams pokes in an easy rebound.

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02-16-2012, 10:34 PM
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All the top teams have two guys capable of starting except Detroit, maybe I'm missing one but you get the point.

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All the top teams have two guys capable of starting except Detroit, maybe I'm missing one but you get the point.
Emery would be capable behind a top team too.

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02-17-2012, 05:31 AM
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Emery would be capable behind a top team too.
no, he wouldn't

he wasn't good for us, he wasn't good for the Ducks in the POs and all he could get was a tryout

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