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02-15-2012, 12:15 PM
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Moot. His situation will be dealt with before July 1.

No way Gillis allows this to fester. He'll deal with it long before it's an issue.

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02-15-2012, 12:29 PM
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Moot. His situation will be dealt with before July 1.

No way Gillis allows this to fester. He'll deal with it long before it's an issue.
He got caught 'with his pants down once' (re: Steve Bernier); I doubt he lets that happen again.

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02-15-2012, 12:31 PM
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Starting on the Tuesday after the draft (June 25th this year) Schneider's agent can talk to teams and start negotiating offer sheets. Nothing can be signed until July 1st though. Then on July 5th, if he still hasn't signed an offer sheet the Canucks can protect him by electing for arbitration.

Gillis can move him whenever he wants, but I think people should temper their expectations about the return. He's 1 year from UFA status and will be susceptible to offer sheets. Any team trading for him would fully understand those things and that will probably hurt his value. Give that, I don't see a 1st and a 3rd as being a huge underpayment.
OTOH Gillis could give a team permission to speak to Schneider and try to work out a contract in advance of a trade.

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02-15-2012, 12:45 PM
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If a team like Chicago offers Schneider a 1 year deal that would give a 1st and a 3rd, they potentially only get a year out of Schneider too.

If a team offers Schneider 3-4 years in a deal, Canucks could even consider matching and trading Luongo (would go against Gillis' MO, but circumstances do change things).

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02-15-2012, 12:59 PM
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Keep in mind though, all these points are moot when you consider the current CBA expires June 30, 2012 at midnight.

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02-15-2012, 01:06 PM
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Schneider has to SIGN the offer sheet does he not? I have no doubt he could be tempted by $$$ but the Hawks would have to pony up a pretty penny to convince Cory to turn his back on Canucks management. There seems to be no ill-will there.

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02-15-2012, 01:12 PM
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Schneider has to SIGN the offer sheet does he not? I have no doubt he could be tempted by $$$ but the Hawks would have to pony up a pretty penny to convince Cory to turn his back on Canucks management. There seems to be no ill-will there.
The exact opposite if anything. He's had numerous chances to stick the dagger in, but he's never taken it. He could have been a UFA five years ago now (?), but he's always preached loyalty and I have no reason to believe he would do anything other than staying loyal.

Not to say he's stupid and will re-sign as a UFA, but I think he knows this show of character won't have gone unnoticed around the league.

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02-15-2012, 01:48 PM
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Keep in mind though, all these points are moot when you consider the current CBA expires June 30, 2012 at midnight.
Only if the owners lock out the players or the players decide to strike.

Otherwise the current CBA just continues.

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02-15-2012, 01:56 PM
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Only if the owners lock out the players or the players decide to strike.

Otherwise the current CBA just continues.

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02-15-2012, 02:25 PM
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We probably shouldn't be too hasty about matching. At the rate the Hawks are going, that first rounder might be a lottery pick.

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02-15-2012, 02:38 PM
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We probably shouldn't be too hasty about matching. At the rate the Hawks are going, that first rounder might be a lottery pick.
Next season's 1st wouldn't be a lottery pick if they had solid goaltending.

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We probably shouldn't be too hasty about matching. At the rate the Hawks are going, that first rounder might be a lottery pick.
Not if they had Schneider in goal.

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02-15-2012, 02:41 PM
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Oh man, the idea of Chicago having Schneider gives me chills. But in all honesty, if it's a 1st and a 3rd, they'd probably not match. Too much is spent on Luongo as it is.

Anything under that, I think they'd rather keep him than let him go to such a fierce rival.

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02-15-2012, 02:53 PM
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Why dont we just trade the Hawks Schneider for Pat Kane.

Top 6 playmaking Right Winger (pretty much exactly what we are missing).

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02-15-2012, 02:58 PM
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Honestly, if he isn't dealt before July 1st, the Canucks just take him to arbritration.

Too many teams will want to put the Canucks in a bind cap-wise to let anyone offer sheet Schneider.

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02-15-2012, 03:01 PM
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Schneider will be traded before July 1st.

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02-15-2012, 03:02 PM
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Take the 1st and the 3rd. Matching = can't trade him and force us to move Luongo (or 10 mil in goalies).

Its also way above his market value right now so its a bad move for any team offering him that. As long as its above 3.2 (or enough for 1st/3rd), i don't see us matching. If its below 3.2... then its a tough decision.

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02-15-2012, 03:10 PM
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How much is Schneider worth to you guys?

*purely speculatory. I'm sure bowman doesn't even do this
Generally it is common wisdom that teams match signings on the theory that it controls the asset and also discourages predatory raids from rich clubs.

However the compensation would be two first-round picks and a second- and third-round pick which is nothing to sneeze at. I think that would be nice sweetening for a major trade. Pretty interesting.

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02-15-2012, 04:24 PM
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Moderately friendly Hawks fan here.

Just saw it suggested that the Hawks should offer sheet Corey for $4.5 mil. Obviously my team is going through a wee bit of a winning problem as of late and goaltending/defense has been an issue.

How much is Schneider worth to you guys?

*purely speculatory. I'm sure bowman doesn't even do this
You won't be able to offersheet us. that is the end of it. Either he'll be signed by us before July 1 or he'll have been traded to a team that will match anything you have to offer.

You'd be better off
a) taking a run at Nabokov this year and hope to resign him if it works out.
b) taking a run at Rask who is making noises in Boston, or maybe Thomas if they want to keep Rask
c) giving us Toews for Schneider+ in a trade


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02-15-2012, 04:53 PM
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I don't see it... He'll be auctioned at the draft for the best offer on the table. If he somehow wasn't, Gillis signs him to a 1 year deal worth 3.5mil and moves him before the season starts.

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Then Columbus has a heck of decision on their hands.

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02-15-2012, 05:22 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I think Schneider's value is at its highest right now.

At the end of the season, the ceiling on the return is essentially a 1st and a 3rd round pick (offer sheet compensation). Why would a team offer something greater on June 25th when the compensation after that is a 1st and a 3rd?

If the Canucks want a roster player, they should trade him now. Of course this doesn't factor his value during a playoff run, only the value coming back in a trade.

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The more I think about it, the more I think Schneider's value is at its highest right now.

At the end of the season, the ceiling on the return is essentially a 1st and a 3rd round pick (offer sheet compensation). Why would a team offer something greater on June 25th when the compensation after that is a 1st and a 3rd?

If the Canucks want a roster player, they should trade him now. Of course this doesn't factor his value during a playoff run, only the value coming back in a trade.
A bottom feeder team who trades for him can match any offer sheet and then spend that season (or longer, depends on the offer sheet) convincing him they're heading in the right direction. It's not Billy Sweatt they're talking about. This guy is incredibly loyal to people who show faith in him.

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02-15-2012, 06:07 PM
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You won't be able to offersheet us. that is the end of it. Either he'll be signed by us before July 1 or he'll have been traded to a team that will match anything you have to offer.

You'd be better off
a) taking a run at Nabokov this year and hope to resign him if it works out.
b) taking a run at Rask who is making noises in Boston, or maybe Thomas if they want to keep Rask
c) giving us Toews for Schneider+ in a trade
You never know. I've never taken Gillis to be a bad GM but maybe he'd ask for too much in return for Corey and nobody would bite on a trade offer?

Although it does seem much more likely that Vancouver would just trade away his signing rights like they did with Bryzgalov right?

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