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Nash On The Block Part III: ALL NASH TALK & PROPOSALS HERE!
he told them to add an extra year (FREE) to the agreed upon deal so that his $ and hit would drop a bit.. aka he would have somehow been making even more.
Yes, you said it alot better than I did. I can't find the terms online, but as I recall, they had agreed upon the terms, and then Nash said, add a year at no cost, because I want you guys to go get some top tier talent.
Somehow I can't see a deal going down. I have always had a hunch Nash would finish his career here and take a position in the organization. At the same time, I'm interested to see what a desperate team offers. Is Toronto a desperate team?
IMO
Only way van gets into the mix is Schneider Raymond/schroder ballard and a first.
That balances the books for cap hits and doesnt really disrupt the team chemistry..
You basicaly take raymond out and put nash in... Not a bad days work.
If kesler and the sedins are skating around with a huge shiny thing over there heads im sure they can get over the fact that nash is paid more (not a contract given by Van) Also be argued that them taking less makes this move possible.
And for everyone saying nash is a glorified 60 point player really wake up. The dude is 6'4 fast with some of the softest hands in the league. He has basicaly been on an island his whole career playing vs the best defence and shutdown lines producing and look how good he was @ the olimpics playing a shutdown role.
Get this guy on a Contending team and watch the fire get lit under him. Nash on the sedin line or with kesler booth = 80 + point season and +15 - 25.
I think what he's trying to say is that Nash's original deal was 7 years at $62.4 Million, which would have been a cap hit of $8.9 million per year. Then, before signing the contract, Nash mulled over it and he called Howson back and said "add another year" to my contract, bringing cap hit down to $7.8M per year. So, he did 8 years for $62.4M. I guess that could be viewed as "If you buy 7 years, you get one free." However, if any other team does take him, I think he'll be peaking around $8.5 million in actual annual cash payments in a couple of years.
It's all crazy. In the end, he's probably not going to be worth the asking price and is probably more valuable staying at the CBJ than what they could get in return.
One thing that is annoying is all the posters coming in here to say something for the first time and they say the exact same thing that has been said about 500 times in the last 3 threads, we know people think the market for Nash isn't what we think it will be because of his contract, we know, we know, we know. If the return isn't adequate then there really isn't a reason to trade him.
They've already blown their payloads on Gaborik and Richards and I'm sure Sather has learned his lesson. Staying the course will keep them competitive for years to come.
Im not one of those Rangers fans who think Kreider is the greatest prospect we have ever had but do you know much about the kid?
Listed anywhere between 6'2 and 6'4 210+ pounds and is a faster skater then this years skills competition winner Carl Hagelin. (Hagelin can down right FLY)
The kid has all the tools to be a dominating power forward that can out skate almost any player in the league.
I think what most people are forgetting is that moving Nash represents a MASSIVE cap dump for Columbus.
Although Nash is talented, whatever team trades for Nash is essentially doing Columbus a favor and that will be accounted for in ANY trade.
That said, some of the trades posted in here are ABSOLUTELY R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S!
Agreed! Columbus is clearing the decks and dropping as much salary as possible for the incoming rebuild.
There's no rush to trade Nash at the deadline but it will happen because once you agree to waive the NTC, there's no going back. It's only a matter of time now.
The list of teams able to make a move at the deadline will be much smaller than what it would be in the post season, so it's probably unlikely something will happen unless CBJ gets a real eye popping offer.
There's no way contending teams will offer up key roster players right now. Bubble playoff teams have the best shot but will probably have to overpay to pick up Nash at the deadline.
The list of GMs bold enough to do this right now is VERY short and even then the return is not likely to be what people are suggesting here. 1 key player 1 top prospect and 1 pick seems reasonable.
What would it take for the Islanders to get Nash. Now, I know Nash apparently has a list of 4 or 5 teams that he would go to, but I am sure there are some teams on that list that other teams like the Islanders, could top their offers and have plenty of cap space to absorb the salary of Nash. So now, let's just say for arguments sake Nash was willing to go there to play along side of JT, would this be enough for you Jacket' fans. Mind you, the Islanders are only 6 points out of a playoff spot with games in hand. Last time the Islanders were in playoff contention Snow shocked everyone and landed Ryan Smyth. Anyway, here's my proposal.
To CBJ:
Nino Niederreiter
Calvin De Haan
1 of Kevin Poulin or Anders Nilsson
1st rd pick
To NYI:
Rick Nash
Blue Jackets already have Ryan Johansen, who most of you know was Niederreiter's center in Portland, 2 of them had great chemistry. Combo of Nino and Johansen will be a great combo for years to come. Calvin De Haan, is a real good young defensemen. Has great puck moving skills and offensive instincts, he also made the AHL All-Star game this season in his 1st season pro. Kevin Poulin/Anders Nilsson both project to be number 1 goaltenders, Poulin is further in his development but I feel Nilsson has more upside, he's still adjusting to his 1st season playing on the North American rinks. Now, our 1st pick will probably be in the 8-16 range.
If Nash does decide to waive his NMC, does the orginal NMC (that he's just waived) travel with him to the new team?
The only way that a NMC would travel is if a new NMC isrenegotiated into his existing contract as a condition to waive the orginal NMC in the first place, correct?
While Nash would help I think the Islanders would be better served to try go all out for a top pairing defenseman using some of the players/picks you mentioned
Theres no reason for the Flyers to even pursue Nash. They need defense. Although I wouldn't put it past Holmgren. Unfortunately one of the rookies has to be moved....I just hope it's not Matt Read.
These TSN Insiders are really getting exposed in this Nash saga.
They were beaten to the fact he was indeed available, after saying he wasn't.
Now TSN's Nash list is wrong.
LOL
The more I consider:
1. The MASSIVE OVERPAYMENT tied to Nash
2. That Nash ONLY puts up 60-70 points annually
3. That Nash has cracked 70 points once, 3 YEARS AGO!
4. That Nash carries the LEAGUE'S 5th HIGHEST CAP HIT AT $7.8M
... The more I don't want Burke to pursue Nash.
Too bad he is so big. If he was 5'6, the Habs would be all over him!
According to TSN, their panel of experts all agree that Nash's list of desired destinations, were he would accept a trade, is no more than 5 teams. Speculation from both TSN & Sportsnet have listed Vancouver, Philly, NYR, Toronto & the Kings.
If in fact those are the 5 teams, here is what I think Howson would want.
Big asks, but remember these are Columbus' wants. Thoughts?
If those are the teams I would think about trying to package Mason in there as well if I were columbus. Mason may be able to come back in a different situation. I am probably out to lunch on some of these one way or another, feel free to flame either way, I can handle it
Columbus: Schneider, Ballard(Cap), Jensen, 1st(or 2nd + Raymond if Mason is added).
Vancouver: Nash, Boll.
I don't think Ballard would be as useless as people would think and would probably end up making a decent pairing with one of Wiz or Tyutin. Not sure what the cap would look like. Maybe a bit of tinkering to even some salary up. Boll could be used by Canucks imo.
Columbus: Bernier, Voynov, Muzzin, 2nd, Cap dump of whoever
Columbus: Bernier, Johnson, 1st, Cap dump of whoever
LA: Nash, Mason
I think Johnson is the better one now, but in the long run I may be more tempted to have Voynov.
If I'm a GM, all that I'm going to offer is a 1st, a top prospect (which likely was a 1st) and a highly rated roster player. Maybe a 3rd also but nothing else.
