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02-16-2012, 12:02 PM
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Kubina is a rental, he's not that valuable. Plus they need a goalie and have experience with Niitty. If not, we could send them Sexsmith, but I dunno, I just get the feeling it's Niitty.
This trade is so obvious.

Tampa Gets
Rick Nash

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Vincent Lecalvier

Columbus gets
Pavel Kubina
Jason Demers
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02-16-2012, 12:07 PM
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Also he's being held out in a game against us. I wouldn't expect a trade to finalize until after the game if it involves us, and part of the trade condition would be he doesn't play against us.
I heard on the radio today that he's being scratched indefinitely until they can find someone to take him.

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02-16-2012, 12:08 PM
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I heard on the radio today that he's being scratched indefinitely until they can find someone to take him.
I think thats more likely.

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02-16-2012, 12:18 PM
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Rumour has it he is close to being traded. Kubina seems to me like a player that DW would love to get. He is big, experienced, has a Cup Ring and has a good history with Boyle. And we have the cap space to do it.

Not sure how desperate Tampa Bay is to move him, but perhaps he could be had for a mid-late round draft pick.
With all due respect, why would DW want him when we have 8D, most of which are better players. He is in no way the solution to the Sharks needs to win a Cup.

We have several other needs - a PK expert that can be a 2nd/3rd liner and maybe a top 6 havlat repalcement

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yet another guy with a ring which DW loves of course.

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02-16-2012, 12:22 PM
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With all due respect, why would DW want him when we have 8D, most of which are better players. He is in no way the solution to the Sharks needs to win a Cup.

We have several other needs - a PK expert that can be a 2nd/3rd liner and maybe a top 6 havlat repalcement
Again, why do we need a PK expert? I don't see that as a need at all anymore.

Also he's clearly better than White/Vandermeer/Demers currently. Maybe better than Murray.

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02-16-2012, 12:24 PM
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Again, why do we need a PK expert? I don't see that as a need at all anymore.
cause we're 26th in the NHL!

I'm not really suggesting a PK expert, must be a good player that also excels at the PK.

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02-16-2012, 12:27 PM
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cause we're 26th in the NHL!

I'm not really suggesting a PK expert, must be a good player that also excels at the PK.
Cmon dude, really?

Our PK is one of the best in the league right now. We've been above an 85% kill rate since the new PK strategy. As I said at the time, ti was a strategy problem not a personnel problem and Todd fixed it.

Even if we were #1 in Kill percentage the rest of the season, we wouldn't improve over 20th, it's just math. The PK is not only fine, it's excellent.

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02-16-2012, 12:30 PM
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Cmon dude, really?

Our PK is one of the best in the league right now. We've been above an 85% kill rate since the new PK strategy. As I said at the time, ti was a strategy problem not a personnel problem and Todd fixed it.

Even if we were #1 in Kill percentage the rest of the season, we wouldn't improve over 20th, it's just math. The PK is not only fine, it's excellent.
Didn't you say it was the assistant coach and he needed to be fired

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02-16-2012, 12:33 PM
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Didn't you say it was the assistant coach and he needed to be fired
Yes, because it looked like after two seasons they simply didn't know how to fix it. Then they did, happy surprise.

No clue why it took two freaking seasons to fix...

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02-16-2012, 12:35 PM
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Are you watching classic games...

PK gave up 2 to the Blues and 1 to the flamers and stars, all this month.

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02-16-2012, 12:38 PM
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Are you watching classic games...

PK gave up 2 to the Blues and 1 to the flamers and stars, all this month.
5 on 3 goals, big freaking difference.

Do you expect us to be a 100% kill rate? lol

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5 on 3 goals, big freaking difference.

Do you expect us to be a 100% kill rate? lol
Not to mention the Dallas goal was an own goal...

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02-16-2012, 12:48 PM
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What would it take to get Purcell and Kubina?

Demers
Stalock
Wingels/4th
more/less?

I would be cool with moving Demers if we get an upgrade on D plus a 2nd/3rd line winger signed next year. He is also exactly what Stevie would want I imagine.

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02-16-2012, 12:51 PM
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Yes, because it looked like after two seasons they simply didn't know how to fix it. Then they did, happy surprise.

No clue why it took two freaking seasons to fix...
As I said at the time, that decision was being made at a higher level and there had to be a reason for it. A decision that fundamental is not being made by assistants.

My guess is that they thought it was a better long term solution against the tougher competition if they could get it to work. This year they wanted to give the team and it's new personal time to make it work. They failed and bailed on it, maybe a little later than they should have, but they've righted the ship and it hasn't cost us much in terms of the standings.

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02-16-2012, 01:08 PM
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As I said at the time, that decision was being made at a higher level and there had to be a reason for it. A decision that fundamental is not being made by assistants.

My guess is that they thought it was a better long term solution against the tougher competition if they could get it to work. This year they wanted to give the team and it's new personal time to make it work. They failed and bailed on it, maybe a little later than they should have, but they've righted the ship and it hasn't cost us much in terms of the standings.
The fix was moving Marleau back up. Moving JT, Mitchell and Zeus down. And, going with a vanilla PK according to their own words (paraphrased).

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02-16-2012, 01:09 PM
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5 on 3 goals, big freaking difference.

Do you expect us to be a 100% kill rate? lol
No, just suggesting that the PK is still in need of help.

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02-16-2012, 01:10 PM
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No, just suggesting that the PK is still in need of help.
It's not, and personnel was never the issue.

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02-16-2012, 01:12 PM
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The fix was moving Marleau back up. Moving JT, Mitchell and Zeus down. And, going with a vanilla PK according to their own words (paraphrased).
Do you have a link or was it discussed during a game? I missed it, so I would be interested in reading it if it's available.

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02-16-2012, 01:19 PM
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Do you have a link or was it discussed during a game? I missed it, so I would be interested in reading it if it's available.
I don't recall whether it was Pollak or Remenda during a game. The movement of player hierarchy was apparent as was the PK style. They confirmed what was obvious about the style only.

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02-16-2012, 01:32 PM
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I think that Demers would absolutely be of interest to Yzerman. He'd be a very good partner long-term to either Hedman or Brewer, who are the only D worth anything on that team.

Demers + 2nd for Kubina + Purcell/Downie? Kubina isn't worth all that much.

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I think that Demers would absolutely be of interest to Yzerman. He'd be a very good partner long-term to either Hedman or Brewer, who are the only D worth anything on that team.

Demers + 2nd for Kubina + Purcell/Downie? Kubina isn't worth all that much.
exactly, I think it's pretty fair but I personally think Stalock + a mid pick or Wingels would be better for both parties.
This draft is supposed to have some really good players going into the 2nd, Tampa doesn't have any goalie security and Stalock and Wingels don't have much of a chance of fitting in long term (though I'd rather give up the pick over Wingels for sure)
And I would MUCH rather prefer to see Purcell over Downie, Downie is basically Ben Eager with alot more skill

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Purcell and Kubina would be awesome additions. Not only is there the Kubina-Boyle connection, but there's the Purcell-Clowe connection, too.

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Purcell and Kubina would be awesome additions. Not only is there the Kubina-Boyle connection, but there's the Purcell-Clowe connection, too.
Newfies galore!

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They seem like pretty good buds. It'd be cool if they could do some damage on the same line.

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