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02-21-2012, 03:28 PM
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Me thinks TB will offer that Detroit pick to us for Schneider, either now or at the draft.

Perhaps DET 1st and TB 2nd for Schneider?

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Hm, it's a shame the Canucks couldn't get involved; a 1st for Steve Downie is pretty damned palatable.

It's also confusing that the Bolts didn't hang onto Quincey, he is exactly the kind of defenseman they need.

I don't really like this move from Tampa's perspective - I guess Stevie Y thinks they are not close to contending if he values a 1st rounder more than Downie or Quincey.
You get the feeling like they aren't done yet.

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Me thinks TB will offer that Detroit pick to us for Schneider, either now or at the draft.

Perhaps DET 1st and TB 2nd for Schneider?
I'd only accept the Detroit first round pick, if Detroit made the pick for us

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02-21-2012, 03:29 PM
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I would have dealt a 1 for Downie. ****!

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02-21-2012, 03:31 PM
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You get the feeling like they aren't done yet.
Yeah, could be - Kypreos is also saying on twitter that there's a prospect involved.. could make a big difference depending on who that is.

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02-21-2012, 03:31 PM
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No-name prospect apparently

So the Downie that wasn't worth Schneider is now only worth a late 1st?

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02-21-2012, 03:32 PM
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How is that not workable? That's a ~$66M payroll and the cap is anticipated to rise to $68-69M. It's also a full 23 man roster. It's no tighter than we usually operate at.
1) Closer to $67 million than $66 million.

2) Yes, there is expected to be a temporary increase in the cap to $68-69 million (as the CBA doesn't end until Sept); however it is equally likely the cap will be lowered from that amount once the new CBA is eventually ratified.

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02-21-2012, 03:34 PM
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I would have dealt a 1 for Downie. ****!
Yzerman obviously thought Downey was a problem in some capacity, we don't need that on this team.

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02-21-2012, 03:36 PM
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No-name prospect apparently

So the Downie that wasn't worth Schneider is now only worth a late 1st?
And another piece to TBL

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
DET also trades minor leaguer Sebastien Piche to TB as part of the Kyle Quincey trade.

Piche stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=82996

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You get the feeling like they aren't done yet.
There is a "rumor" that Tampa is interested in Ben Bishop and not Schneider.

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This isn't a bad move. Quincey is a top-4 defenseman and Detroit will have his rights for another season. If borderline top-4 rental d-men go for 2nd round picks, then Quincey with another year or RFA is probably worth a first.
I didn't say it was a bad move value-wise, I meant that if it was say, Tambellini who just gave up a 1st for a player he waived a couple seasons back, there would be a significantly different spin on the transaction.

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02-21-2012, 03:37 PM
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Tampa certainly stocking up on picks...beware of Stevie Y.

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There is a "rumor" that Tampa is interested in Ben Bishop and not Schneider.
Well, the price would be much cheaper.

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02-21-2012, 03:38 PM
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Yzerman obviously thought Downey was a problem in some capacity, we don't need that on this team.
How is that obvious?

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There is a "rumor" that Tampa is interested in Ben Bishop and not Schneider.
Bishop makes sense. Don't have to give up an assets, but roll the dice a bit more with the outcome. Yzerman *might* be stocking up on picks because he's seeing a full rebuild in the near future.

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Bishop makes sense. Don't have to give up an assets, but roll the dice a bit more with the outcome. Yzerman *might* be stocking up on picks because he's seeing a full rebuild in the near future.
Bishop doesn't make sense if Tampa wants to win now, and if that's not the case then they should move St. Louis.

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How is that obvious?
Why else would he trade him for a late first? They're still in the playoff mix and besides, Downey is a young player not making much money. Why would he do that if everything was peachy there?

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How is that obvious?
He didn't think he was worthy of being retained/extended?

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Bishop doesn't make sense if Tampa wants to win now, and if that's not the case then they should move St. Louis.
Schneider for St.Louis!

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Why else would he trade him for a late first? They're still in the playoff mix and besides, Downey is a young player not making much money. Why would he do that if everything was peachy there?
A first is still a first. I'm surprised they actually ended up getting that much for Downie. He's a 3rd liner at best. Also, Downie is an RFA, maybe the negotiations weren't going well.

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Why else would he trade him for a late first? They're still in the playoff mix and besides, Downey is a young player not making much money. Why would he do that if everything was peachy there?
Perhaps Yzerman is getting a first round pick for a 3rd line player and is planning a rebuild? Mathematically they aren't eliminated but they're clearly sellers (they dealt Kubina already).

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I would have dealt a 1 for Downie. ****!
You'd also have traded both Sedin's for Olli Jokinen a couple years back. Chill.

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Bishop doesn't make sense if Tampa wants to win now, and if that's not the case then they should move St. Louis.
Bishop is the same age as Schneider, has a lot of AHL seasoning and by all accounts could be a starter at the NHL level. He's not a big gamble for them to take. Moving St.Louis makes no sense for them either, this doesn't have to be a "blow it up" rebuild.

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You'd also have traded both Sedin's for Olli Jokinen a couple years back. Chill.
Actually that's not true so get your facts straight before you start calling people out.

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Schneider for 2 1sts and 2 2nds and the draft.

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