A first is still a first. I'm surprised they actually ended up getting that much for Downie. He's a 3rd liner at best. Also, Downie is an RFA, maybe the negotiations weren't going well.
Guys who are 3rd liners at best don't tend to score 20+ goals in their first full season.
Bishop makes sense. Don't have to give up an assets, but roll the dice a bit more with the outcome. Yzerman *might* be stocking up on picks because he's seeing a full rebuild in the near future.
... but Tampa isn't re-building.
I'm very confused. They are now weaker at LW and lost Quincey for basically as low a 1st round pick as you can get.
They must be targeting something with all these picks...
Bishop is the same age as Schneider, has a lot of AHL seasoning and by all accounts could be a starter at the NHL level. He's not a big gamble for them to take. Moving St.Louis makes no sense for them either, this doesn't have to be a "blow it up" rebuild.
Except he's been awful @ the NHL level. Shades of Jason Labarbera.
Labarbera had a .933 save % at the AHL level... couldn't handle NHL.
Bishop has a 4-5-1 record and a .896 NHL save %...
Perhaps Yzerman is getting a first round pick for a 3rd line player and is planning a rebuild? Mathematically they aren't eliminated but they're clearly sellers (they dealt Kubina already).
Teams don't usually trade 24 year old players contributing on their rosters to rebuild. Maybe there is another deal in the works, right now it doesn't add up.
Except he's been awful @ the NHL level. Shades of Jason Labarbera.
Labarbera had a .933 save % at the AHL level... couldn't handle NHL.
Bishop has a 4-5-1 record and a .896 NHL save %...
Hardly a very good sample size though, and it's not like he was playing under the same system St.Louis is using now. Schneider's first 10 NHL games were even worse so it's not really something that can be used against him.
Except he's been awful @ the NHL level. Shades of Jason Labarbera.
Labarbera had a .933 save % at the AHL level... couldn't handle NHL.
Bishop has a 4-5-1 record and a .896 NHL save %...
He was also playing behind a fairly weak team in his most recent NHL stint. The guy is solid, a lot of teams around the NHL are interested according to Bob McKenzie.
Except he's been awful @ the NHL level. Shades of Jason Labarbera.
Labarbera had a .933 save % at the AHL level... couldn't handle NHL.
Bishop has a 4-5-1 record and a .896 NHL save %...
Thats not really fair though, St. Louis was a pretty mediocre team when he was given his chances and didnt benefit from the Ken Hitchcock system in place now.
Also, Schneids didnt exactly tear up the NHL his first dozen games or so in the bigs.
Kinda looks like they are now though? Dealing good vets for draft picks doesn't scream "win now" to me.
They don't need to "win now" they are a relatively younger group, with lots of pieces to move. Also, they cannot win now with their current goaltending situation.
They don't need to "win now" they are a relatively younger group, with lots of pieces to move. Also, they cannot win now with their current goaltending situation.
Exactly, if they were "win now", they'd be knocking down MG's door for Schneids. I think they're "white flag" now.
Debate about whether or not we should've gotten Downie aside, it's nice to know that the market value of an RFA who could play on our third line and is a playoff performer isn't all that high. Gillis should be able to do something good at these prices.
Hm, it's a shame the Canucks couldn't get involved; a 1st for Steve Downie is pretty damned palatable.
It's also confusing that the Bolts didn't hang onto Quincey, he is exactly the kind of defenseman they need.
I don't really like this move from Tampa's perspective - I guess Stevie Y thinks they are not close to contending if he values a 1st rounder more than Downie or Quincey.
I dunno. Downie isn't worth a 1st rndr IMO. Now, I say that know he was drafted in the late 1st rnd himself, is an NHLer, and is solid. But he's a depth guy. Quincey can play in a team's top4, so for him, the 1st makes more sense.
Pick value is relative to the team IMO. Detroit drafts well with any pick they have. They've got a stocked pool of prospects and they will be losing Dmen next year (potentially). Moving a 1st for them isn't that bad. For VAN, who can't seem to draft nearly as well, the 1st is far more important. I would be very uncomfortable with MG moving his 1st, as opposed to multiple picks after it. Two different ways to view the value of picks.
Hardly a very good sample size though, and it's not like he was playing under the same system St.Louis is using now. Schneider's first 10 NHL games were even worse so it's not really something that can be used against him.
Less risk with Schneider given that he's had more "NHL seasoning". Tough to know whether Bishop will be a NHL starter or another Alex Auld.
They're certainly in a good position to trade for Schneider at the draft if Gillis does indeed plan to move him for futures. What type of deal would you guys accept or feel is realistic at the draft?
Would you do DET 1st, TBL 2nd, another 2nd? Or would it have to be something like Connolly, DET 1st?
Less risk with Schneider given that he's had more "NHL seasoning". Tough to know whether Bishop will be a NHL starter or another Alex Auld.
Less risk with Schneider means a much higher payment. They might be willing to roll the dice on a guy with a lot of potential. Or they could also be posturing to try and get Gillis to come down in price for fear of losing a potential suitor?
