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02-16-2012, 02:44 PM
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Wyshynski's 'insider' is Jokey McGee, The McTwittertwit.

Fact: LMFAO the band was named after anything the guy has to say.

Heeeeeeelarious!


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To get to his iphone so he can read another Jokey McGee post by Wyshynski'!"
I don't understand a single thing you just said .... not trying to make a joke. What do you mean?

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what would u suggest?
Remove one of the one of the Dallas triumvirate in your original proposal and camp Howson is ecstatic

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Doesn't matter man. Doesn't matter how much we overrate him. From an organization standpoint you don't trade Larsen. From a straight hockey standpoint, you don't trade Larsen. He is here to stay.
ehh probably

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I don't understand a single thing you just said .... not trying to make a joke. What do you mean?
He thinks Wyshynski is a hack. TOML is probably that guy we're not allowed to talk about on this forum in a negative light anymore who also may be in the "hack" realm.

I don't want to move Nemeth. Or Glennie if we have to. Overall, I think trading for Carter is an absolute waste of the prospect depth we have since acquired. We have a lot of untested guys in the system and I would much rather see some of those unknowns tested. This year is over for Dallas, sadly, and I'd really expect to see a youth infusion next year.

Yes, we need a player like Carter, but why not even see what we have in the cupboard before we go nuts and ransack it for him?

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Well considering what Niewendyke wanted for Richards as a rental, I wonder what he's prepared to give up for a long term signed Carter.

With the play of Bachman and Columbus' need for goaltending, I'd have to think him or Campbell will be included

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Well considering what Niewendyke wanted for Richards as a rental, I wonder what he's prepared to give up for a long term signed Carter.
square peg, round hole

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Bigger hammer, hit it harder.

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I would totally give up Bachman in a move for Carter, as much as I don't want Carter for kids. But what to add to that?

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Bigger hammer, hit it harder.
More muscles, more hammer.

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02-16-2012, 02:59 PM
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Carter + 2nd (31st overall most likely)
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Campbell + Glennie + 1st

i went with glennie just because i don't see oleksiak as a want from columbus because one of their very few areas of strength are d prospects.. they need NHL studs, not prospects who could be studs.

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If it's for anything more than Bachman + Glennie I'll be pissed.

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Carter + 2nd (31st overall most likely)
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Campbell + Glennie + 1st

i went with glennie just because i don't see oleksiak as a want from columbus because one of their very few areas of strength are d prospects.. they need NHL studs, not prospects who could be studs.
No way. Bachman and Glennie, sure, but that 1st is off the table.

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If it's for anything more than Bachman + Glennie I'll be pissed.
Get the hell out of my head!

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Hold on a sec...

Original Trade (IIRC):
Carter = Jakub Voracek + 1st + 3rd

Marek's Suggestion:
Carter = Daley + Campbell + Oleksiak

Unless I am completely misinterpreting what "possible targets" means, how did Carter's value increase since his move to Columbus. That makes no sense to me. There is no way Dallas gives up all three of those to get Carter.

Maybe Campbell + 1st. Maybe. But, his value is at an all-time low right now. I just don't see it.

But, I guess that is why I am not an NHL GM...

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02-16-2012, 03:01 PM
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Hold on a sec...

Original Trade (IIRC):
Carter = Jakub Voracek + 1st + 3rd

Marek's Suggestion:
Carter = Daley + Campbell + Oleksiak

Unless I am completely misinterpreting what "possible targets" means, how did Carter's value increase since his move to Columbus. That makes no sense to me. There is no way Dallas gives up all three of those to get Carter.

Maybe Campbell + 1st. Maybe. But, his value is at an all-time low right now. I just don't see it.

But, I guess that is why I am not an NHL GM...
Not like Daley is going to waive to go to Columbus...

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Carter + 2nd (31st overall most likely)
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Campbell + Glennie + 1st

i went with glennie just because i don't see oleksiak as a want from columbus because one of their very few areas of strength are d prospects.. they need NHL studs, not prospects who could be studs.
take out the 1st and the 2nd and i would think about it... but not sure still

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02-16-2012, 03:04 PM
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What you think?
Pittsburgh give up -
Martin and Jeffrey and 3/4 pick

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02-16-2012, 03:06 PM
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What you think?
Pittsburgh give up -
Martin and Jeffrey and 3/4 pick

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What you think?
Pittsburgh give up -
Martin and Jeffrey and 3/4 pick

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Why does Pittsburgh need another center? Especially an expensive one?

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Sorry I meant to take Jeffrey out of that. Martin and 2 round pick for carter?

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Why does Pittsburgh need another center? Especially an expensive one?

Carter can play wing he did in Philly

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Carter can play wing he did in Philly
He's not going to get the ice time he really deserves in Pittsburgh. There is such thing as having too much high end depth which really hampers your bottom line... and getting Carter would probably hamstring the Pens. Even moving Martin, can Pittsburgh really afford to have that much money tied up in the forward corps?

Martin has a NMC/Limited NTC anyway.

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He's not going to get the ice time he really deserves in Pittsburgh. There is such thing as having too much high end depth which really hampers your bottom line... and getting Carter would probably hamstring the Pens. Even moving Martin, can Pittsburgh really afford to have that much money tied up in the forward corps?

Martin has a NMC/Limited NTC anyway.
He could play on the first line/second line

Whatever you consider Malkin Neal Kunitz line while Crosby is out

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IMO, I think it will take 2 of the following 4 assets: Glennie, Cambell, Oleksiak, and this year's 1st.

Something might be added to that as well.

However, any of those 2 assets is not a better package than what Columbus gave up. In addition, I think it's still a fair offer an not that huge a drop off in value.

However, I agree that trading for Carter is a huge risk. It could also be a huge mistake. Carter in the past 5 years has scored at the same pace has Nash. If he plays like his Phili years, he's a huge boost to this team. He'd be a great core player.

My fear though, like I said, is there's a legitimate chance he's just not going to recover. You're not going to get lucky like Columbus will and recoup most of what you gave up.

I'm glad I'm not GM Joe. I don't know that I could make a confident decision on this trade.

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i love larsen as much as you do but we do overrate him a bit
Not when you consider he's 21 in his second year in NA and dmen don't round into form until their mid 20's. He's good and he should get much better. Goligoski with better defense is what I see in his future. Not to mention he's the only roster defenseman or prospect in the organization that is a right shot outside of Robidas.

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He thinks Wyshynski is a hack. TOML is probably that guy we're not allowed to talk about on this forum in a negative light anymore who also may be in the "hack" realm.

I don't want to move Nemeth. Or Glennie if we have to. Overall, I think trading for Carter is an absolute waste of the prospect depth we have since acquired. We have a lot of untested guys in the system and I would much rather see some of those unknowns tested. This year is over for Dallas, sadly, and I'd really expect to see a youth infusion next year.

Yes, we need a player like Carter, but why not even see what we have in the cupboard before we go nuts and ransack it for him?
I hear you, but you may only give up Campbell(goalies are a crapshoot anyway) who is probably a few years away from being a starter in Dallas if it happens, and maybe one more prospect. Not close to ransacking.

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IMO, I think it will take 2 of the following 4 assets: Glennie, Cambell, Oleksiak, and this year's 1st.

Something might be added to that as well.

However, any of those 2 assets is not a better package than what Columbus gave up. In addition, I think it's still a fair offer an not that huge a drop off in value.

However, I agree that trading for Carter is a huge risk. It could also be a huge mistake. Carter in the past 5 years has scored at the same pace has Nash. If he plays like his Phili years, he's a huge boost to this team. He'd be a great core player.

My fear though, like I said, is there's a legitimate chance he's just not going to recover. You're not going to get lucky like Columbus will and recoup most of what you gave up.

I'm glad I'm not GM Joe. I don't know that I could make a confident decision on this trade.
If Columbus is trading Carter, then they're accepting a loss because they're not getting the value they gave up for him. They'll be lucky to come close.

I'd like to see Carter on the Stars. Could help them make a playoff push this season and if not, get back in next season.

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