Playoff experience this year helps our future better than a 2nd round pick, imo. You don't all of a sudden go from suck to winning, there has to be some steps taken in between.
Murray should buy this year and load up for the playoffs.
He may be selling next season, as we might miss the playoffs because Kuba is gone and/or Alfie & Gonchar decline.
Murray should buy this year and load up for the playoffs.
He may be selling next season, as we might miss the playoffs because Kuba is gone and/or Alfie & Gonchar decline.
I dunno man. I don't think this year's team is worth throwing all the eggs in for a trip to the second round. The thing we lack is depth... But at every position. I'm just happy with the playoffs for now but maybe that's just me.
Murray should buy this year and load up for the playoffs.
He may be selling next season, as we might miss the playoffs because Kuba is gone and/or Alfie & Gonchar decline.
Even if the Sens add any rental out there, yes including Hemsky, they won't beat the Bruins in the first round. If they move up in the standings and don't play Boston, they'll still likely lose in the 2nd round.
Just a terrible idea to stack for a cup run that won't happen regardless.
Ummm no not even close Kuba is easily the best available rental D man Gill is not even close to his level.
In the playoffs Gill >> Kuba.
No team wins cups with Kuba's. Gill-type defenceman are invaluable come playoff time. He hits, he blocks shots, he's a rock in his zone, he can fight, and he moves the puck better then most give him credit for too.
Kuba's had a good bounce back year, but I'd take Gill over Kuba on a playoff team 10 times out of 10.
No team wins cups with Kuba's. Gill-type defenceman are invaluable come playoff time. He hits, he blocks shots, he's a rock in his zone, he can fight, and he moves the puck better then most give him credit for too.
Kuba's had a good bounce back year, but I'd take Gill over Kuba on a playoff team 10 times out of 10.
Agreed to an extent but it depends what you need. Nashville with Josi and Ellis might prefer Gill. But a team looking for guy who can move the puck also might prefer Kuba. I'm thinking they have about the same value.
PMD are becoming less and less rare while players like Gill, big guys who can skate and lock it down are becoming harder to find. Most teams seem to have PMD's now though unlike a few years ago when they were in such high demand.
But also like I said before, if thats the max package we can hope for, I'd rather hold on to Kuba for the playoffs and let what ever happens in the offseason happen.
So just because Kuba is having a good season we should resign him when we all remember how bad he's been in the past?
The day Kuba resigns with Ottawa is the day I stop becoming a Sens fan. Kuba is absolutely horrible. He's a slow skater, average defensively, and benefits offensively playing with Karlsson.
Kuba is not the reason Ottawa is winning and if he's a UFA in the offseason I say we trade him when his value is highest. He's not an important asset to this team and hopefully not in the long term plans.
That's said this team has commited to a rebuild and I don't see why trading a UFA for a high draft pick or a prospect is bad even if we're in the postseason. I still think even without Kuba we could make the playoffs.
We could always trade Kuba then trade for another defensman who is actually in our long-term plans. Someone like Suter, Gorges (I know he signed), O'Bryne, Wilson, or Johnson (just examples, don't actually want them)
The bold suggest you either dont watch hockey or dont understand it. What part of best plus minus on the team and 2nd most icetime do you not understand. Who's gonna take his minutes? Lee? Carkner? Phillips? Not likely. Not to mention Karlsson is playing so well and developing why on earth would you mess with that.
'Commited to the rebuild' THEY ARE IN A PLAYOFF POSITION. Trading a valuable asset especially to this team compared to his value right now for a 2nd round pick does not help the rebuild. You know what helps a rebuild PLAYOFFS. Playoff teams gain much needed experience for the younger players. Playoff teams attract top end free agents.
He was slow after he broke his leg he wasnt before and he isnt anymore.
PMD are becoming less and less rare while players like Gill, big guys who can skate and lock it down are becoming harder to find. Most teams seem to have PMD's now though unlike a few years ago when they were in such high demand.
But also like I said before, if thats the max package we can hope for, I'd rather hold on to Kuba for the playoffs and let what ever happens in the offseason happen.
puck movers are hardeer to find but no one wants to move them. the two d moved were big bodied bottom pairing guys. kuba would get attention but why would we move him
gill has a bit more value then grossman cause of his resume
kuba has had significant playoff success in the past. He was a horse for Minny during their improbable cup run of 2003. This is a false dichotomy being played out here that only Gill has playoff credentials and Kuba doesn't. I am sure there are plenty of GMs who would select Kuba ahead of Gill, especially if the need is a strong two-way player.
puck movers are hardeer to find but no one wants to move them. the two d moved were big bodied bottom pairing guys. kuba would get attention but why would we move him
gill has a bit more value then grossman cause of his resume
That is what I'm saying. If all we can hope for is a package similar to Gill, then I'd keep Kuba.
No team wins cups with Kuba's. Gill-type defenceman are invaluable come playoff time. He hits, he blocks shots, he's a rock in his zone, he can fight, and he moves the puck better then most give him credit for too.
Kuba's had a good bounce back year, but I'd take Gill over Kuba on a playoff team 10 times out of 10.
Gill hits about as much as Kuba and honestly, if you looked into the stats.. I doubt you'd see a huge difference in blocked shots either. Gill isn't a rock at all... he's solid, but not great defensively or anything. He is also an atrocious fighter. Absolutely terrible.
Thats not to say I disagree with your initial point (personally I think they have similar value right now), but the player you described in no ways resembles Hal Gill. Really, everything you used to describe him was off.
Gill is okay positionally, is good at getting his stick in lanes and using his reach, and he's good at taking away space. He's an exceptional #5 DMan who I'd never want to have as anything more than a guy playing #4 spot duty. Kuba is a better player, but maybe slightly less needed type of player.
Gill hits about as much as Kuba and honestly, if you looked into the stats.. I doubt you'd see a huge difference in blocked shots either. Gill isn't a rock at all... he's solid, but not great defensively or anything. He is also an atrocious fighter. Absolutely terrible.
Thats not to say I disagree with your initial point (personally I think they have similar value right now), but the player you described in no ways resembles Hal Gill. Really, everything you used to describe him was off.
Gill is okay positionally, is good at getting his stick in lanes and using his reach, and he's good at taking away space. He's an exceptional #5 DMan who I'd never want to have as anything more than a guy playing #4 spot duty. Kuba is a better player, but maybe slightly less needed type of player.
I dont see a whole lot of Gill, I guess maybe he plays his best hockey when I'm watching because he was all of those things I described most of the times I've watched him play lol.
I'm in for this. Kuba is UFA and Sarge isn't in the long term plans. If the price is right, let's load up again like we did last year. I want a dynasty, not an outside chance of competing this year (if we make the playoffs).
Probably won't happen, but Murray's comments on the STH call made me think that they're leaning towards being sellers.
I'd be litterally shocked if it happens. Can somebody find the last team that was in playoffs contention (in it or very close, not 10 points out) and became sellers at the deadline?
Again, I'll repeat myself. People expecting the Sens to be sellers are kidding themselves. It could happen but don't expect it, chances are very very low
I hope we are scouting Huselius and not Nash or Carter.
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I'd be litterally shocked if it happens. Can somebody find the last team that was in playoffs contention (in it or very close, not 10 points out) and became sellers at the deadline?
Again, I'll repeat myself. People expecting the Sens to be sellers are kidding themselves. It could happen but don't expect it, chances are very very low
The Stars last year wanted to trade Brad Richards while still in the playoff race but Richards didn't want to be a rental.
