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02-17-2012, 08:27 AM
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The pieces the OP mentioned are the 4 that Pierre McGuire mentioned a few days ago. He has this 7 player core that he pitches as what you need to contend for the Cup: a franchise goalie (Price), franchise defenseman (Subban), power forward (Pacioretty), two elite centerman, specialist and elite shut down player (Gorges, potentially Eller & potentially Emelin as a Scott Stevens type).

We have all but the two elite centerman. We may have one in Plekanec if we make him a #2.

We're not that far off. We haven't even mentioned our best player - Markov - if he comes back.

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02-17-2012, 08:29 AM
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I agree with this. A rebuild isn't what is needed when you already have most of the pieces to succeed in the future. Build around the young core and with the right moves (I'm actually scared of that part), we'll be fine.

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02-17-2012, 08:32 AM
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Probably because he has played in our top 1~2 lines so many times and that's what people seem to remember, but I do agree, he's a great 3rd line player that can be put into the top 2 lines if there's injuries.
Great point. Imagine if we had a team where he only had to play on the 3rd and fouth line.

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02-17-2012, 08:34 AM
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We need less than a total re-build but we definitely need more than a minor tweak.

IMO, only 3 D should be back next year. Emelin, Gorges, and Subban. That is more than a tweak.

We also need a physical, tempo changing 4th line and a top RW to play with Pleks and Bourque.

A big C as well, but that's a tough one.

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02-17-2012, 08:36 AM
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We need less than a total re-build but we definitely need more than a minor tweak.

IMO, only 3 D should be back next year. Emelin, Gorges, and Subban. That is more than a tweak.

We also need a physical, tempo changing 4th line and a top RW to play with Pleks and Bourque.

A big C as well, but that's a tough one.
I think you forgot someone on D ?

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02-17-2012, 08:37 AM
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writing this season off and getting a player of high talent in the draft should not be confused with "rebuilding".

Success is always close when you measure success as placing 8th in your conference.
This team needs a few changes, not a full scale rebuild. It needs some surgical adjustments including a franchise centre.

Getting a top centre via the draft and continuing to let MaxPac, Price, Eller, Subban, Emelin, Leblanc, grow and adding guys like Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, Bournival, Kristo etc... in the coming years. We have a foundation of young talent to build upon.

Get a true gamebreaking talent up front in this draft and youd have all the pieces necessary to truly contend for the Cup, not just playoff spots.


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02-17-2012, 08:37 AM
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We need less than a total re-build but we definitely need more than a minor tweak.

IMO, only 3 D should be back next year. Emelin, Gorges, and Subban. That is more than a tweak.

We also need a physical, tempo changing 4th line and a top RW to play with Pleks and Bourque.

A big C as well, but that's a tough one.
well, assuming those are the only 3 to come back, two of the three D we'll need will be on the bottom pair, it's not like it would be that hard to get... and if we happen to get the right guys we could even afford to keep Weber (under contract) as a 6th D for something like 10 min a game + PP...

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02-17-2012, 08:39 AM
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I don't give a damn what Tony Marinaro thinks. He's proven time and time again that he has no idea what it means to make decisions in the NHL.

Gauthier has made REASONABLE moves every, single, time. Not a single trade, signing, draft pick or back-room move had been from out-of-left-field or totally arbitrary.

Of course we're not re-building! We have our franchise players and we've been doing pretty damn fine every year until this one.

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02-17-2012, 08:39 AM
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I think you forgot someone on D ?
Yes. When I mentioned only 3 D back, I assumed some new pickups/promotions.

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02-17-2012, 08:40 AM
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Perfect. If we do a good job of re-tooling at the deadline and during free agency we'll be back in the playoffs next year.
This,

I hate the IF game but..

Shootouts
PP
No Markov

With 2 of these three we're middle of the pack or better this year.

with 1 we're in playoffs

If we did make the Playoffs we would not be any teams choice to play against.

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02-17-2012, 08:41 AM
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I think this a completely useless proposition. Current management may thing the direction is a retool, but I think the consensus is that they are going to get axed at the end of the year. I think it is premature to outright say that there will be no rebuild. The question really to ask is whether Molson is going to be the ***** he has portrayed himself to be, or grow a set and do what is in the best long term interests of the club. Knowing how ownership has acted for the last 20 years, they are content to allow the team to languish in mediocrity, as long as it is fighting for the last playoff spot. They won't take the Nordiques/Penguins/Capitals/Blackhawks model and suck for a few years, acquire the franchise players, and be Cup contenders for a decade or more.
Let's talk in 2 or 3 years. If the current management group assumes that they have purchased the George Gillett money printing machine and are going to operate in the brand-centric mode of the Ronald Corey years, well good luck to them. Sales are down this year and they will decline further if we are fed Gauthier's vision of success.

The situation is fluid, a good GM needs to be adaptive but hold on to the long term view. You don't need to declare a rebuild to be in the midst of one and the key for the fan is watching what the team does with draft picks and young players. Gauthier is too reactive to lead that job.

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Of course they'll never admit they need a rebuild. It would be an admission of guilt for management to say so.

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02-17-2012, 08:43 AM
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Gorges - stays
Subban - stays
Emelin - stays
Diaz - stays

Plek - stays
Eller - stays
Cole - stays
Pacioretty - stays
Gionta - stays
Kostitsyn - stays
Darche - stays
White - stays

Price - stays
Budaj - stays


Bourque - maybe
Desharnais - maybe (stays if 3C)
Weber - maybe
Nokelainen - maybe


Kaberle - bye
Gill - bye
Gomez - bye
Campoli - bye

NEEDS

Moen or Moen Like
Legitimate, Proven, Somewhat Veteran, 2 Way Top 4 D-man
1C or 2C with Size
Trigger Man for the PP (like MAB, Souray, Streit, Schneider, Wiz)
Faceoff Center (like Halpern, Moore, Metropolit)

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02-17-2012, 08:44 AM
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This is the same Tony Marinaro that thinks the Habs should trade Cole, and the ***** said this in national tv.

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02-17-2012, 08:46 AM
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Gorges - stays
Subban - stays
Emelin - stays
Diaz - stays
Plek - stays
Eller - stays
Cole - stays
Pacioretty - stays
Gionta - stays
Kostitsyn - stays
Darche - stays
White - stays

Price - stays
Budaj - stays


Bourque - maybe
Desharnais - maybe (stays if 3C)Weber - maybe
Nokelainen - maybe


Kaberle - bye
Gill - bye
Gomez - bye
Campoli - bye

NEEDS

Moen or Moen Like
Legitimate, Proven, Somewhat Veteran, 2 Way Top 4 D-man
1C or 2C with Size
Trigger Man for the PP (like MAB, Souray, Streit, Schneider, Wiz)
Faceoff Center (like Halpern, Moore, Metropolit)

Diaz is too small for our D. BYE !

Desharnais our best center this year is gone ?

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02-17-2012, 08:47 AM
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Why is Moen fat ? He is a great 3-4 line player. I don't get why people here don't want him back. Yet, 29 other GM's would love to have him in their lineup yet a few Habs fans want to get rid if him.
Him being UFA makes him subject to those talk. I would guess it would be in his best interest to test the market come July 1st. In this case, I think it's a matter of getting something interesting in return like a decent pick. I like Moen but for the Habs, he is not the difference maker for us making the PO or not so...
A team like Vancouver, Detroit or Chicago for example, he could be the difference in a deep in the playoff run with what he brings..experience, grit penalties kill, defensive savvy and will drop the mitts.

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02-17-2012, 08:51 AM
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[QUOTE=otto bond;44311083]Him being UFA makes him subject to those talk. I would guess it would be in his best interest to test the market come July 1st. In this case, I think it's a matter of getting something interesting in return like a decent pick. I like Moen but for the Habs, he is not the difference maker for us making the PO or not so...
A team like Vancouver, Detroit or Chicago for example, he could be the difference in a deep in the playoff run with what he brings..experience, grit penalties kill, defensive savvy and will drop the mitts.[/QUOTE]

OK then lets resign him to 3 years. You just admitted how good he is.

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02-17-2012, 08:55 AM
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We need less than a total re-build but we definitely need more than a minor tweak.

IMO, only 3 D should be back next year. Emelin, Gorges, and Subban. That is more than a tweak.

We also need a physical, tempo changing 4th line and a top RW to play with Pleks and Bourque.

A big C as well, but that's a tough one.
Add Markov and Diaz (even if you plan to play him as the 7th defenseman).

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02-17-2012, 08:59 AM
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Just tank babeee!

As for trading Cole, I'd do it if we got some really really good assets in return (e.g., like a Huberdeau). Nobody's untouchable

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I think we have covered this on HF earlier during the season. We're NOT going to do a full on tank rebuild! We just need to re-tool and those 4 core youngsters are good enough to build a team around. If only we can et Galchenyuk in this draft... or a hail mary like Grigorenko it would be amazing for us going forward but I am agreeing with the "habs exec" on this one we do not need a full on re-build.

Let me be clear though, that does NOT mean the tank is off for this season. Tank =\ Re-build.

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02-17-2012, 09:01 AM
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I think Tony is kind of stating the obvious here. The intention was never to rebuild, just change the system of the team. Build around youth, add parts that will compliment and possibly bring in one more big name. At the same time, attempt to retain some UFAs and if not, ship them out for draft picks and prospects. That doesn't scream rebuild to me at all.

You build around youth like Desharnais, Pacioretty, Eller, Leblanc, Subban, White, Emelin, Diaz and Price. You have the veterans that compliment and help the youth like Gionta, Cole, Markov(when he finally comes back). Then you begin to add pieces that fill in the spots and help your team.

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I think Tony is kind of stating the obvious here. The intention was never to rebuild, just change the system of the team. Build around youth, add parts that will compliment and possibly bring in one more big name. At the same time, attempt to retain some UFAs and if not, ship them out for draft picks and prospects. That doesn't scream rebuild to me at all.

You build around youth like Desharnais, Pacioretty, Eller, Leblanc, Subban, White, Emelin, Diaz and Price. You have the veterans that compliment and help the youth like Gionta, Cole, Markov(when he finally comes back). Then you begin to add pieces that fill in the spots and help your team.
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Wow Plekanec gets zero respect around here!
He's the number 1 center of the best penalty kill unit in the NHL. If you want to rebuild you start with him IMO

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Of course they're not rebuilding.

But retooling doesn't equate success. In the end, it's about how much improvement you've shown compared to the other teams. A lot of teams in front of us at the moment have very good young players and are all thinking they just need to add on that.

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Diaz is too small for our D. BYE !

Desharnais our best center this year is gone ?
Who cares how big Diaz is, he has been solid for it being his rookie year and will not cost a lot to re-sign. If he is playing with someone with size he will be fine, he has looked very good when paired with Emelin this year.

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