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02-17-2012, 11:28 PM
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I chose these trades because we’re pretty banged up right now and can’t afford to give up key future assets. I feel we can make the playoffs, but I don’t want to sacrifice too much because it’s likely that we will finish in 9th or 10th again.

Flames trade: T. Kostopolous
Canucks trade: M. Maholtra

Flames trade: Babchuck
Flyers trade : B. Kessel

Flames trade: Sarich
Devils trade: E. Gelinas + 5th round pick

Flames trade: Hannan
Panthers trade: D. Shore + 3rd round pick

Flames trade: M. Stajan + L. Bouma
Wild trade. M. Zidlicki

Flames trade: 4th pick + M. Wahl
Columbus trade: K. Huselius

After deadline/trades:
Tangs - Jokinen - Iggy
Juice - Cammy - Comeau
Byron - Maholtra - Kolanos
Jackman - Horak - PL3

Jbow - Butler
Gio - Zidlicki
Brodie - Piskula
Wilson

But when we're healthy:
Tangs - Joker - Iggy
GlenX - Cammy - Moss
Juice - Maholtra - Stempniak
Backlund - Jones - Comeau
Jackman

Jbow - Butler
Gio - Zidlicki
Brodie - Smith
Piskula


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02-17-2012, 11:36 PM
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I chose these trades because we’re pretty banged up right now and can’t afford to give up key future assets. I feel we can make the playoffs, but I don’t want to sacrifice too much because it’s likely that we will finish in 9th or 10th again.

Flames trade: T. Kostopolous
Canucks trade: M. Maholtra

Flames trade: Babchuck
Flyers trade : B. Kessel

Flames trade: Sarich
Devils trade: E. Gelinas + 5th round pick

Flames trade: Hannan
Panthers trade: D. Shore + 3rd round pick

Flames trade: M. Stajan + L. Bouma
Wild trade. M. Zidlicki

Flames trade: 4th pick + M. Wahl
Columbus trade: K. Huselius
I like the first 3 but I don't think Hannan could bring back Shore if he could I would jump for joy.

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02-17-2012, 11:43 PM
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I like the first 3 but I don't think Hannan could bring back Shore if he could I would jump for joy.
What about the last two? I see going after Huselius as our only purchase. And I see Stajan as a swap for an under performing Zidlicki, but we would have to sweeten the deal, hence Bouma.

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02-17-2012, 11:47 PM
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What about the last two? I see going after Huselius as our only purchase. And I see Stajan as a swap for an under performing Zidlicki, but we would have to sweeten the deal, hence Bouma.
I like the Zidlicki one is Bouma enough? I think someone could top the last offer but if this is the year we are going to go all in it makes sense to bring all the players that have ever fit with our core so I like the idea.

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What about the last two? I see going after Huselius as our only purchase. And I see Stajan as a swap for an under performing Zidlicki, but we would have to sweeten the deal, hence Bouma.
Minnesota has bottom sixers in spades; they'd have absolutely no interest in Bouma. Nor Stajan for that matter as when healthy, they already have two better options in the top six in Koivu and Cullen.

The rumored deal for Zidlicky was Foster, Taormina, and either a 3rd or a 4th round pick. Essentially two depth defensemen, a mid range pick + cap space. I speculate that cap space was the most important part of the deal, with the pick a close second.

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All good. I didn't have my heart set on those exact trades, rather I wanted to indicate the kinds of trades I would be making. I'm OK with keeping Stajan or tweaking the deal.

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I like the first 3 but I don't think Hannan could bring back Shore if he could I would jump for joy.
Looking at Florida, they really need to make the playoffs. I'm sure they're more concerned with making the playoffs and keeping their struggling franchise a float than a prospect that isn't a necessity. They've hit some injuries in their D that make them vulnerable to slipping out of contention. And looking at the standings, they're only in third because their division is weak. They could miss the playoffs easily if they hit a losing streak. And lets face it, Hannan is our best rental defensemen at a cheap price for a team with a budget.

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I like the Zidlicki one is Bouma enough? I think someone could top the last offer but if this is the year we are going to go all in it makes sense to bring all the players that have ever fit with our core so I like the idea.
I'd definitely prefer your idea of Frolik, but I don't want to spend too much. The Blackhawks have depth, but are better with Frolik. He's not a rental, he's cheap, and he's sure to gain interest. And it's not like they're sellers at this point, so I could see the price be too much of a gamble. Seeing as the Jackets are sellers, and how under-performed & expensive Huselius is, I thought it might be a good fit.

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Minnesota has bottom sixers in spades; they'd have absolutely no interest in Bouma. Nor Stajan for that matter as when healthy, they already have two better options in the top six in Koivu and Cullen.

The rumored deal for Zidlicky was Foster, Taormina, and either a 3rd or a 4th round pick. Essentially two depth defensemen, a mid range pick + cap space. I speculate that cap space was the most important part of the deal, with the pick a close second.
Maybe Stajan, Carson and 4th?

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02-18-2012, 05:52 AM
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How about

Backlund+ to Columbus for Brassard

Hannan and Jackman and Bohma to Van for Raymond and Tanev

Sarich to Philly for a 2nd

3rd and 4 th to Tampa for Kubina

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How about

Backlund+ to Columbus for Brassard

Hannan and Jackman and Bohma to Van for Raymond and Tanev

Sarich to Philly for a 2nd

3rd and 4 th to Tampa for Kubina
I doubt Philly is looking for another defense men as they just got grossman. The Backlund trade has been talked about before I think the main thing was do you believe that Brassard will end being that much better than Backlund? I love the Vancouver trade but I don't think they will they are really high on Tanev. Kubina is a good stop gap if we move our other two defense men.

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I think we will see a small move or 2 like last season, a veteran depth move for a guy with a cup ring.

But I would prefer someone that can win faceoffs to be perfectly honest. If David Steckel from the Leafs is available I want him. If not I would look at Jeff Halpern in Washington, Paul Gaustad in Buffalo, Jarrett Stoll in LA (if he is healthy) and maybe if the price is incredibly cheap, Kyle Wellwood in Winnipeg.

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I doubt Philly is looking for another defense men as they just got grossman. The Backlund trade has been talked about before I think the main thing was do you believe that Brassard will end being that much better than Backlund? I love the Vancouver trade but I don't think they will they are really high on Tanev. Kubina is a good stop gap if we move our other two defense men.
Dreger stated Philly is looking for another defenseman

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Dreger stated Philly is looking for another defenseman
I was unaware of this, I wonder if eric wellwood is in play?

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I was unaware of this, I wonder if eric wellwood is in play?
he said it during the pregame when they were discussing the Grossman trade just before our game against Dallas. As for who is in play, I have no idea.

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How about

Backlund+ to Columbus for Brassard

Hannan and Jackman and Bohma to Van for Raymond and Tanev

Sarich to Philly for a 2nd

3rd and 4 th to Tampa for Kubina
As a Tampa fan and a Calgary fan, I know for a fact Yzerman expects at least a 2nd for Kubina or maybe even more. Something along the lines of what Nashville and Dallas got back for Gill and Grossman.

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What exactly is the status of Derrick Brassard, if we're giving up Backlund + is it safe to say he still has a chance to be a number 1 center?

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02-18-2012, 12:16 PM
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As a Tampa fan and a Calgary fan, I know for a fact Yzerman expects at least a 2nd for Kubina or maybe even more. Something along the lines of what Nashville and Dallas got back for Gill and Grossman.
Sounds about right thats what we expect for hannan if not more if we move him.

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What exactly is the status of Derrick Brassard, if we're giving up Backlund + is it safe to say he still has a chance to be a number 1 center?
If we discount this year as it has just been terrible for everyone in Columbus. He has scored 11 more points per year every year last had 47 points he is only 24 I doubt he is ppg kind of guy but he could be a number 1 center. The major problem with Brassard is he has face off percentage of 43% so much of the same that we already have in fact Backlund is better at the draw then Brassard but not by much.

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How about
Backlund+ to Columbus for Brassard
Hannan and Jackman and Bohma to Van for Raymond and Tanev
Sarich to Philly for a 2nd
3rd and 4 th to Tampa for Kubina
Tangs - Jokinen - Iggy
Raymond - Cammy - Comeau
Whatever bottom six

Jbow - Butler
Gio - Kubina
Brodie - Babchuck

I like the line-up. My only concern is that Backlund can't be traded as he's injured. If everybody else is right about Kubina, then maybe Souray is a cheaper option?

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Stay the course and go for the playoffs. We have a 2nd liner (Glencross),2 borderline 2nd liners (Stempniak/Backlund) and two excellent 3rd liners (Moss/Jones) that would be back for the last 2 weeks of the season.

I don't think Feaster should trade for any 2nd or 3rd liners as we have 5 as mentioned above.

Not enough assets to trade for a 1st liner.

Move one of Sarich or Bachuk, hopefully for a 2nd rounder but may have to settle for a 3rd rounder.

Could also see if Kostpoulous and Karlsson would get a 4th/5th round pick. If only a 6th or 7th then keep them.

If we were close to 100% healthy then I would be all for more deals but it would be stupid to go out and get a few 3rd liners.

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Stay the course and go for the playoffs. We have a 2nd liner (Glencross),2 borderline 2nd liners (Stempniak/Backlund) and two excellent 3rd liners (Moss/Jones) that would be back for the last 2 weeks of the season.

I don't think Feaster should trade for any 2nd or 3rd liners as we have 5 as mentioned above.

Not enough assets to trade for a 1st liner.

Move one of Sarich or Bachuk, hopefully for a 2nd rounder but may have to settle for a 3rd rounder.

Could also see if Kostpoulous and Karlsson would get a 4th/5th round pick. If only a 6th or 7th then keep them.

If we were close to 100% healthy then I would be all for more deals but it would be stupid to go out and get a few 3rd liners.
That's good and all, but we need to win games now if we are going to make the playoffs. And we have Kostopolous on the second line. Tom ****ing Kostopolous!! Not too mention no matter how healthy we are, without something done we will still **** the bed in the faceoff circle. Our organization could use defensive future assets, and of course, we are short draft picks this year. Our organization has some holes that need to be filled IMO.


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Bobby Mac I believe, said it best. Our ideal deadline acquisitions will be Stempniak, Moss, Glencross, Jones, Smith, etc. etc.


However, if we could at least add a warm body like Knuble just to get us through the next couple weeks, supply some netpresence, that would be fine by me.

Don't know how happy we would be as a fan base when we give away a 4th round pick or something. Could be closer to a 5th+ random prospect.

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How does Vermette for Stajan sound?
We get an extra year, but I believe the better player, who at the very worst, will play like Backlund + much improved faceoff. 25 points in 57 games on pace to 42 games on a terrible Columbus team.

Stajan's contract has him paid 2.5mil until 2014, but at a cap hit of 3.5m

Vermette is 3.75 until 2015 both in salary and cap hit.

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How does Vermette for Stajan sound?
We get an extra year, but I believe the better player, who at the very worst, will play like Backlund + much improved faceoff. 25 points in 57 games on pace to 42 games on a terrible Columbus team.

Stajan's contract has him paid 2.5mil until 2014, but at a cap hit of 3.5m

Vermette is 3.75 until 2015 both in salary and cap hit.
I would take that trade I think.

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