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02-17-2012, 11:27 PM
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Not worried about Nash coming here Burke is a smart guy, he wont sacrifice all of his work for one big name with a high cap hit that wont make us a contender.
Boom. QFT.

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02-17-2012, 11:28 PM
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Not worried about Nash coming here Burke is a smart guy, he wont sacrifice all of his work for one big name with a high cap hit that wont make us a contender.
how many nash's do we need to become a contender?

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Would hate to move Gardiner as I think he is an special talent but if we can get Nash(a potential superstar) for him than I had maybe pull a trigger even if he is overpaid. He would clearly be our best player as he is more complete, big and just as dynamic as Kessel.

Maybe based around something like this is what I had offer for Nash.

- Gardiner
- MacArthur
- Franson
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- Komisarek

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02-17-2012, 11:29 PM
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F-Nash. I know Columbus wants Gardiner because he's a great young player from Ohio, but no thanks.

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are you ok with the leafs not making the playoffs?
I don't see how overpaying for Rick Nash makes us a lock...

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02-17-2012, 11:30 PM
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We won't get Nash unless we deal a goalie. Columbus first and foremost need is a good potential goaltender which we don't currently have. LA is front runner with VAN running behind (if they want him).

Unfortunately or fortunately, we won't get Nash. There is also a chance that we won't get a roster player that will be significant upgrade over our top 6 right now.

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02-17-2012, 11:30 PM
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Would hate to move Gardiner as I think he is an special talent but if we can get Nash(a potential superstar) for him than I had maybe pull a trigger even if he is overpaid.

Maybe based around something like this is what I had offer for Nash.

- Gardiner
- MacArthur
- Franson
- Kulemin
- Komisarek
On what planet is Rick Nash worth that? You're buying into the media love-affair with Nash. He's a 60-65 point forward who's overpaid.

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02-17-2012, 11:31 PM
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Would a team really re-acquire a prospect they traded away? Has this ever been done before in the past?

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02-17-2012, 11:31 PM
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Certain people set up silly precedents like these, so they can continue their endless whining later if the pick gets moved.

It's a lost cause, if they keep the picks and don't get Nash; the same users will whine that they should have gone all in for Nash no matter the costs.
They're building up the organization again, and the first rounder is a building block going forwards. Rick Nash has an albatross contract and can't put a team on his back. Why do we overpay for a 30 goal, 60ish point winger?

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02-17-2012, 11:33 PM
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how many nash's do we need to become a contender?
The answer would be 0.

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NO. not trading Gardiner++ for Nash. Rather put a 1st in as replacement instead of Gardiner.

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On what planet is Rick Nash worth that? You're buying into the media love-affair with Nash. He's a 60-65 point forward who's overpaid.
He has nearly 70 in 5 or few less games a season playing with just about nobody supportive on that weak columbus roster, if you are going by that logic than Kessel is nothing more than a 60-65 player as well. Nash would no doubt in my mid thrive in a offense first system like the Leafs, and he brings exactly what we are lacking in our top-line aside from obvious center position.

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The answer would be 0.
good, so we will never make the playoffs.
if colbourne, kadri, and frattin were like nash, we would be a contender .... now
so go and watch another sport like baseball.

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02-17-2012, 11:42 PM
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He's an idiot. Why would he even bother mentioning Kessel? Kessel's going nowhere, not for Nash.

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He has nearly 70 in 5 or few less games a season playing with just about nobody supportive on that weak columbus roster, if you are going by that logic than Kessel is nothing more than a 60-65 player as well. Nash would no doubt in my mid thrive in a offense first system like the Leafs, and he brings exactly what we are lacking in our top-line aside from obvious center position.
Nash is a top 10 NHL player and franchise player from what I hear.

Guy is horribly overrated. He won't fetch that kind of package at all.

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I'd very reluctantly part with Schenn (in case Kulemin, Kadri, MacArthur and [1st/prospect]) wasn't enough.

Gardiner? Out of the ****ing question.

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good, so we will never make the playoffs.
if colbourne, kadri, and frattin were like nash, we would be a contender .... now
so go and watch another sport like baseball.
Yep, some Leaf fans aren't patient enough for a rebuild.

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He has nearly 70 in 5 or few less games a season playing with just about nobody supportive on that weak columbus roster, if you are going by that logic than Kessel is nothing more than a 60-65 player as well. Nash would no doubt in my mid thrive in a offense first system like the Leafs, and he brings exactly what we are lacking in our top-line aside from obvious center position.
Kessel hasn't proven to be more than that yet.

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02-17-2012, 11:51 PM
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good, so we will never make the playoffs.
if colbourne, kadri, and frattin were like nash, we would be a contender .... now
so go and watch another sport like baseball.
I could care less about the playoffs if we have to give up the future and still can't win a cup. I don't think Nash will make us better than Boston,Vancouver, Detroit. It would be nice to see him in a leaf jersey but the price will be too high. I still am not sure that Nash is worth the production even with him playing on a better team compared to other players at half the cost.


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Nash is a top 10 NHL player and franchise player from what I hear.

Guy is horribly overrated. He won't fetch that kind of package at all.
The guy is a 30 goal, 65ish point scoring winger with size and some flashy moves. That's about it. Total suck as a "franchise player" failing to show any of the unique abilities of real franchise players to uplift their teams, falling back on the excuse that he's had nothing to work with, despite the injection of Carter this past summer, and a steady stream of young talent over the past decade in Filatov, Brule, Zherdev, Brassard, Voracek, Vermette. A 20 year old John Tavares has done more with the likes of Matt Moulson, PA Parenteau and whatever garbage they have on the Island in three years.

Nash is basically a poor, poor man's Dany Heatley.

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Please don't trade Gardiner he's fun to watch.

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Gardiners speed and poise is incredible.

Speed not size matters in todays game, we need Gardiner more on the back end than Nash up front.

That said, to beat teams like Philly and Boston, we could use Nash where size and intimidation helps.

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Would hate to move Gardiner as I think he is an special talent but if we can get Nash(a potential superstar) for him than I had maybe pull a trigger even if he is overpaid. He would clearly be our best player as he is more complete, big and just as dynamic as Kessel.

Maybe based around something like this is what I had offer for Nash.

- Gardiner
- MacArthur
- Franson
- Kulemin
- Komisarek
Your drunk, no way he is worth that much. I would give up Gardiner as much as it would hurt but I wouldn't add much more then MacArthur and a 2nd to that deal.

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I could care less about the playoffs if we aren't good enough to win a cup or have any future to wait for. Do you really think Nash will make us better than teams like Boston, Vancouver, Detroit. Sure, it would be cool to see him in a leaf jersey but I just cant see us be good enough, and then we will have to hope for free agency because we may not have the depth we need. Like i have said previously, not sure we can justify getting Nash that will put up 20 more points than some of are other players at half the cost and that is including playing in are system.
ok , we dont have him , what do we have to look forward to? free agency. like connelly

garbo and nash would lite up the league, then we have lupul and kessel

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Kessel hasn't proven to be more than that yet.
Well he certainly is on pace for more than just 65 points this year, and last year he had 64 which I would consider in the range of 60-65 points. The point is Nash would be the ideal franchise winger with massive size that we can build our core around, and he is still relatively young at 27 and has plenty to offer. Again, I am not jumping on trading Gardiner away in a slight but but to get a player of Nash's calibre, I had likely pull the trigger with a salary dump like Komisarek/Connolly going Blue Jackets way.

I guess I am in the minority, but I see Nash being a legit franchise threat with a new team, new system, reasonable supporting cast and a great place and hometown team like Leafs would be a greta things for the fans and Nash himself.

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