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02-23-2012, 06:09 PM
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I really, honestly can NOT believe that Howson has a job...if Johnson and a 1st are all that's going back, that's a total fleecing by LA and they get better just by losing JJ. Just a brutally bad move on Columbus' part here if this pans out.
Howson didn't do all of it. He had predecessors. The front office problems go back to their formation as a team.

Hearing the stuff out there now, it is pretty clear that Howson doesn't do his homework. The kind of decisions he is making now pretty much mirror what has gone before.

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02-23-2012, 06:18 PM
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Howson didn't do all of it. He had predecessors. The front office problems go back to their formation as a team.

Hearing the stuff out there now, it is pretty clear that Howson doesn't do his homework. The kind of decisions he is making now pretty much mirror what has gone before.
Don't remember saying the history of the Blue Jackets woes fall on Howson...

What he's done since he's gotten there is nothing short of horrible.

They have an opportunity to acquire some very good pieces when they move Nash and Carter. If this rumored Carter trade goes down, there' one total failure. Have to wait to see what he does with Nash.

Considering what he's done in the past, there is no reason they should trust him to make these trades.

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02-23-2012, 06:23 PM
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Don't remember saying the history of the Blue Jackets woes fall on Howson...

What he's done since he's gotten there is nothing short of horrible.

They have an opportunity to acquire some very good pieces when they move Nash and Carter. If this rumored Carter trade goes down, there' one total failure. Have to wait to see what he does with Nash.

Considering what he's done in the past, there is no reason they should trust him to make these trades.
Yes, if these rumored deals go through, he'll have failed but he's in a rock and a hard place and every GM knows it. I can see some merits in wiping the slate clean and starting over. Brutal for the fans if the franchise survives.

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02-23-2012, 06:26 PM
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Yes, if these rumored deals go through, he'll have failed but he's in a rock and a hard place and every GM knows it. I can see some merits in wiping the slate clean and starting over. Brutal for the fans if the franchise survives.
It's possible they are going to fire Howsen and know any return for these guys is going to be seen in a bad light (realistic return anyway) and would rather get it over with and then can Howsen, that way the hate will leave with him.

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02-23-2012, 06:29 PM
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Yes, if these rumored deals go through, he'll have failed but he's in a rock and a hard place and every GM knows it. I can see some merits in wiping the slate clean and starting over. Brutal for the fans if the franchise survives.
Except he does not have to make this trade now. If there was a NTC that kicks in or something then that's one thing but there isn't.

Yes, Carter's unhappy but he'll still be unhappy at the draft...if Howsen were 'starting over' he'd be better off taking Voynov, Vey, or any number of prospects over taking back Johnson. Total speculation on my part here but if this happens, I wouldn't be at all surprised to start hearing whispers of an unhappy Johnson next season.

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02-23-2012, 06:31 PM
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Don't remember saying the history of the Blue Jackets woes fall on Howson...

What he's done since he's gotten there is nothing short of horrible.

They have an opportunity to acquire some very good pieces when they move Nash and Carter. If this rumored Carter trade goes down, there' one total failure. Have to wait to see what he does with Nash.

Considering what he's done in the past, there is no reason they should trust him to make these trades.
I don't think their ownership has a clue. It's unfortunate because other teams do similar things.

They have always worked on the "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" model of team building. Big star and the rest trash, cater to the big star. They buy into the grit is everything theme; no emphasis on offense. Let the big guys carry the whole load. Their assessments of players follow the above models. Teams without a lot of total skill can follow the model of the early years Wild, and present day Nashville and Phoenix where they are running for playoff spots every year without marquis talent. Part of that success is a model of hard work, hard skating (trap) and a relative lack of hierarchy when it comes to offense. That lack of hierarchy in scoring has carried teams to the cup although not frequently.

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02-23-2012, 06:32 PM
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Jeff Carter may have a bad contract but he's an elite two-way forward.

With Jack Johnson you're paying a marginal third-pairing defenseman $4.4mil every year until 2018. Under no circumstances should he be considered to have anything other than negative trade value.

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02-23-2012, 06:40 PM
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I think the Jackets are banking on Johnson improving, he is only 25.

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02-23-2012, 06:43 PM
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Bob McKenzie on TSN1050: The Vancouver #Canucks are "big time in on Steve Ott."

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02-23-2012, 06:43 PM
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I think the Jackets are banking on Johnson improving, he is only 25.
Not only is that a stupid bet, but Johnson has already proven to have a bad attitude and very likely will not like playing in CBJ.

The Jackets need to stick to young guys who are trying to prove themselves in the league, picks, and vet's with great attitudes. Jack Johnson in CBJ will be hilarious. Especially coupled with James Wizniewski lol. They better get a stud goalie.

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02-23-2012, 06:46 PM
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I feel bad for CBJ fans.

Also, I wish Howson would stop trading within the Pacific Division.

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02-23-2012, 06:46 PM
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Ott has an NTC. He's going to waive for Vancouver???

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Good, joe will go into beast mode now

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02-23-2012, 06:48 PM
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Ott has an NTC. He's going to waive for Vancouver???
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Good, joe will go into beast mode now
idk, Ott Lappierre Burrows just screams annoying.

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02-23-2012, 06:50 PM
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Ott has an NTC. He's going to waive for Vancouver???
Why wouldn't he? He gets to go from a terrible team in an awful city (no offense) to one of the best teams in the league in the best city on the league's circuit. His, um, style of play would also be welcomed on that squad.

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02-23-2012, 06:52 PM
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in both nash and carters case he negotiated himself into a corner because he thought they were flag pieces in a perennial play off team.

carters contract is looooong, and still has a heavy cap hit.

nash will put almost every team in a cap bind and probably make them instantly lose some depth in the process.

...now that i re-read your post im guessing thats what you were alluding to anyway.
With the way cap hits are going (think Ruutu), Carter actually may not be that bad. It's the length of contract that is crazy though.

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02-23-2012, 06:54 PM
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Why wouldn't he? He gets to go from a terrible team in an awful city (no offense) to one of the best teams in the league in the best city on the league's circuit. His, um, style of play would also be welcomed on that squad.
I'll somehow manage, and I didn't know this was possible, to hate the Cannucks even more.

They better not trade for Perry after that though or they risk reaching supermassive ******* status and converting into a black hole.

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02-23-2012, 06:55 PM
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I'll somehow manage, and I didn't know this was possible, to hate the Cannucks even more.

They better not trade for Perry after that though or they risk reaching supermassive ******* status and converting into a black hole.
They will pick up both Perry and Pronger.

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02-23-2012, 06:57 PM
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Saw a tweet today that there was a discussion involving Nash for Greiss, Pavelski, first, and third. Could be nonsense, could be someone who knows something.

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02-23-2012, 06:58 PM
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Saw a tweet today that there was a discussion involving Nash for Greiss, Pavelski, first, and third. Could be nonsense, could be someone who knows something.
That would be a horrible trade for us.

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They will pick up both Perry and Pronger.
Was the sarcasm symbol really necessary?

They will also trade Luongo, sign Belfour and Fleury out of retirement, and acquire Brian Campbell.

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02-23-2012, 07:02 PM
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Saw a tweet today that there was a discussion involving Nash for Greiss, Pavelski, first, and third. Could be nonsense, could be someone who knows something.
And this would make up for the horrible Carter deal (not that I believe it).

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Saw a tweet today that there was a discussion involving Nash for Sexsmith, Clowe, first, and third. Could be nonsense, could be someone who knows something.
FIFY. That deal DW might do.

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I will punch the first person I see in the face if that trade happens.

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02-23-2012, 07:03 PM
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Saw a tweet today that there was a discussion involving Nash for Greiss, Pavelski, first, and third. Could be nonsense, could be someone who knows something.
Sure, i'd do that

Greiss, Pavelski, First, and a 3rd

For

Nash, CBJ 1st overall, Mason

Ta da.

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