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10-30-2004, 10:48 AM
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And Gaborik is going nowhere, he has for the Wild the same value as Kovalchuk as the Thrashers...

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10-30-2004, 11:41 AM
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And Gaborik is going nowhere, he has for the Wild the same value as Kovalchuk as the Thrashers...
Too bad he has nowhere the talent, hence your comparison is ludicrous. At least Komisarek and Phaneuf are on the same page talent wise.

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10-30-2004, 01:46 PM
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Habs need Komi more and MIN needs Gabby more

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10-30-2004, 02:07 PM
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Too bad he has nowhere the talent, hence your comparison is ludicrous. At least Komisarek and Phaneuf are on the same page talent wise.
I think Gaborik to Kovalchuk is very comparable.

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10-30-2004, 02:19 PM
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As a Habs fan, I do think that Montreal wins the deal.

That said, I understand (but don't necessarily agree with) the Habs fans who say they wouldn't do the deal. Montreal has a pretty good group of young scoring foward prospects and not so many defensemen. Trading away Komisarek would only exacerbate that. I suppose that Montreal could then turn around and trade one of their foward prospects for a young defenseman/defense prospect, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

That said, I like Gaborik a lot, and if such a deal could be swung, I'd probably do it and then worry about the young defensemen problem later. But like I said, I can certainly understand others not wanting to do that.

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10-30-2004, 03:02 PM
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Value-vise not that far off, assuming Komisarek keeps playing like he did in the play-offs.

Just doesn't make sense otherwise, Wild is starving for offensive production and trading their no.1 forward is simply impossible.

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10-30-2004, 03:05 PM
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And Gaborik is going nowhere, he has for the Wild the same value as Kovalchuk as the Thrashers...
Well, the Trashers also have Heatley so I would say that Gaborik is more valuable to his team then Kovalchuk. Keep in mind that a players value to his team, and trade value are completely different.

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10-30-2004, 03:57 PM
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Wild would be nuts to say no...

Sorry but this deal seems pretty one sided to me, adn it amazes me that some people actually think that Montreal would come out on top...

Gaborik is an elite winger, with 2 30 goal seasons under his belt at the young age of 22, and playing for jaques lemaire no less.

Will he reach his full potential and become a "franchise" winger... only time will tell, but at this point, 67 points as a career season best is not franchise type output.

Komisarek is a potential franchise D-man, big, strong, mean and with an underated scoring ability. Will he max out that potential, again, only time will tell.

Considering that franchise D-man are worth more than franchise wingers (give me a pronger or blake over a Hossa or Kariya any day of the week), and that montreal would also be giving up an established top 6 winger (who is only 28 and coming off back to back 50 point seasons) AND a first round pick, and Minesota clearly comes out ahead of this deal.
Not to mention that Komisarek and Zednik (who, while not being a D specialist, is strong in the corners and has the strength needed to play lemaire's type of game) would fit very well into Jaques Lemaire's style of hockey...

reading some of these posts just reminds me that all too many people get blinded by the "bling-bling" of flashy players...

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10-30-2004, 05:03 PM
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How is it funny?
1. We lose a first rounder in a very good draft.
2. We suck on defense and we lose our best defensive prospect.
3. We lose a veteran who proved to be very valuable in the playoffs and the regular season.
So, how is it funny? And how does it make sense?

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10-30-2004, 05:33 PM
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How is it funny?
1. We lose a first rounder in a very good draft.
2. We suck on defense and we lose our best defensive prospect.
3. We lose a veteran who proved to be very valuable in the playoffs and the regular season.
So, how is it funny? And how does it make sense?
Just out of curiosity, what do Habs fans think would be a fair proposal for Gaborik, value-wise (team needs of either team aside)?

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10-30-2004, 05:45 PM
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For Gaborik, I'd give Ribeiro, Perezhogin and a 3rd.

How would that sound ?

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10-30-2004, 05:53 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what do Habs fans think would be a fair proposal for Gaborik, value-wise (team needs of either team aside)?
We won't trade for Gaborik, ever, so why ask. I didn't say that the trade wasn't fair, I just think that it doesn't make sense for Montreal. Gaborik is a top notch player, but we won't ever trade to get him.
Also, it doesn't make much sense for Minnesota. Why would they trade their best offensive player?


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10-30-2004, 07:13 PM
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How is it funny?
1. We lose a first rounder in a very good draft.
2. We suck on defense and we lose our best defensive prospect.
3. We lose a veteran who proved to be very valuable in the playoffs and the regular season.
So, how is it funny? And how does it make sense?
It's funny because that's not enough to replace Minny's young franchise player.

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10-30-2004, 07:18 PM
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It's funny because that's not enough to replace Minny's young franchise player.
Well!?

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For Gaborik, I'd give Ribeiro, Perezhogin and a 3rd.

How would that sound ?

and the Wild take this underwhelming offer of quanity for quality because??????

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10-30-2004, 08:26 PM
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For Gaborik, I'd give Ribeiro, Perezhogin and a 3rd.

How would that sound ?
this thread is for gaborik, not dupuis

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10-30-2004, 08:33 PM
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Thanks for telling me smart guy.

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10-31-2004, 01:07 AM
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For Gaborik, I'd give Ribeiro, Perezhogin and a 3rd.

How would that sound ?
Honestly Rick, pretty bad. I can't see any interest from the Wild in Ribeiro or Perezhogin, especially not when they're giving their star player and goal scorer.

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10-31-2004, 01:12 AM
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Minnesota has two solid defensemen, not franchise type, but two solid defensemen coming up in Burns and Thelen. Add in Mitchell, who is young, Zyuzin who is okay progressing, Henry that came out of nowhere, Schultz who is also progressing, and Michalek, Stoner, Stokely, Heid, Reitz, Misharin, and Bolduc, and tell me why the Wild need another defenseman?

The Wild are starved for franchise wingers and players, and even goal scorers.

Most people also forget the tremendous postseason Gaborik had tearing up the Canucks and the Avalanche. He is a good leader, not the great leader, but a solid on ice character and off ice.

He has a little bit of a liability with injuries *sighs* but I think it's just the wear and tear of the league.

We have little use for Zednik, and Komisarek might be a little bit overrated by Habs fan, by a tad.

Wild are also trying to get a tad younger, bringing in guys like Koivu, O'Sullivan, and Wallin along with Wanvig and Veilleux. They are trying to infuse the people they have with the team with their prospects, I don't think they are trying to get older players from other teams. 28 isn't old but...older.

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10-31-2004, 01:47 PM
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For Gaborik, I'd give Ribeiro, Perezhogin and a 3rd.

How would that sound ?
As a Habs fan I'd say that that isn't nearly enough for the Wild.

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10-31-2004, 01:49 PM
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Minnesota has two solid defensemen, not franchise type, but two solid defensemen coming up in Burns and Thelen. Add in Mitchell, who is young, Zyuzin who is okay progressing, Henry that came out of nowhere, Schultz who is also progressing, and Michalek, Stoner, Stokely, Heid, Reitz, Misharin, and Bolduc, and tell me why the Wild need another defenseman?
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Which one of those guys is a top pairing dman? I don't know if Komisarek will ever be a 1 or a 2, but I think his chances are better than any of the above.

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10-31-2004, 02:51 PM
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Thelen and Burns with Schultz and Mitchell behind them. Both of them have top pairing for Minnesota. Thelen and Burns probably are top 5 defensemen but Minnesota utilizes defensemen like that, that don't have top pairing but make them look better than they are.

But I also do bleieve that Thelen and Burns have top 5, if not top 3 potential.

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Exactly.

Young franchise players never get traded because teams don't want to give away so much depth (in some cases, all of their depth) to acquire 1 player. But yes, I don't have a clue, but how many of us do?
Last one to go was Sundin I believe

That one ended up ok in our favor

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Let's try this again.

Kastitsyn + Ribeiro + 1st

for

Gaborik + 2nd

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Um no...

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