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02-18-2012, 04:55 PM
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If there are only 5 world class goalies then Price is definitely not one of them. The obvious ones are Lundqvist, Rinne, Thomas, Miller and Luongo. Then their is the next tier that Price is probably in the middle of: Fleury, Quick, Ward, Kiprussof. So top 10 for sure, but not a chance he's a top 5 goalie in the league. Now, is Jordan Eberle a top 5 RW? Debatable, but the stats would suggest yes. Couple that with him being younger (thus more potential), and a lifelong Oiler fan who wants to be here (thus more inclined to sign a bargain deal) and its actually a no-brainer for the Oil to say no to Ebs straight up, let alone some of the packages suggested in this thread.

Also, I thought there were rumours from RDS earlier in the year that Price is looking for 7mil per? Good luck with that.

Of all the goalies you mentioned there are MAYBE 2 I would put ahead of Price. You can compare numbers all you wish but if you compare the d-men playing in front of those goalies. If you give price those same d-men I believe he puts up better numbers. I guess I have no proof of that its just my opinion. Just like you would have no proof that im wrong.


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02-18-2012, 05:17 PM
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Of all the goalies you mentioned there are MAYBE 2 I would put ahead of Price. You can compare numbers all you wish but if you compare the d-men playing in front of those goalies. If you give price those same d-men I believe he puts up better numbers. I guess I have no proof of that its just my opinion. Just like you would have no proof that im wrong.
That just confirms it...you're biased towards your team's players. Good to know.

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02-18-2012, 05:19 PM
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And you would be in the same spot you guys are now. A very good team with no shot at the cup because of your goaltending. AGAIN.
Obviously if I was with the Flyers and had the team they do right now I'd take Price over Eberle. But I was talking about from scratch. Which player would I rather have for building a team with, it'd be Eberle.

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That just is not true he has proven he can be a good Goalie in the league he is not currently an elite goalie. He may be but Theodore was Elite for a season you could say. Carey was elite for a season at a young age. Mason ect.
I'm not even sure where to begin. You just compared him to Steve Mason.

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Of all the goalies you mentioned there are MAYBE 2 I would put ahead of Price. You can compare numbers all you wish but if you compare the d-men playing in front of those goalies. If you give price those same d-men I believe he puts up better numbers. I guess I have no proof of that its just my opinion. Just like you would have no proof that im wrong.
Which are the MAYBE 2?

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02-18-2012, 05:27 PM
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If there are only 5 world class goalies then Price is definitely not one of them. The obvious ones are Lundqvist, Rinne, Thomas, Miller and Luongo. Then their is the next tier that Price is probably in the middle of: Fleury, Quick, Ward, Kiprussof. So top 10 for sure, but not a chance he's a top 5 goalie in the league. Now, is Jordan Eberle a top 5 RW? Debatable, but the stats would suggest yes. Couple that with him being younger (thus more potential), and a lifelong Oiler fan who wants to be here (thus more inclined to sign a bargain deal) and its actually a no-brainer for the Oil to say no to Ebs straight up, let alone some of the packages suggested in this thread.

Also, I thought there were rumours from RDS earlier in the year that Price is looking for 7mil per? Good luck with that.
Of your first list, Price is better than Thomas, Miller and Luongo. He is behind Lundqvist and Rinne right now though. On the second list he is better than all of them except for maybe Quick, however at the start of the season Price was quite visibly better than Quick. I'd probably put them about even. Price is right around the 5th best goalie in the league and the youngest of the goaltenders in that range.

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02-18-2012, 05:28 PM
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Of your first list, Price is better than Thomas, Miller and Luongo. He is behind Lundqvist and Rinne right now though. On the second list he is better than all of them except for maybe Quick, however at the start of the season Price was quite visibly better than Quick. I'd probably put them about even. Price is right around the 5th best goalie in the league and the youngest of the goaltenders in that range.
Multiple Vezina awards and nomination say what?

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02-18-2012, 05:35 PM
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Multiple Vezina awards and nomination say what?
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02-18-2012, 05:40 PM
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Of all the goalies you mentioned there are MAYBE 2 I would put ahead of Price. You can compare numbers all you wish but if you compare the d-men playing in front of those goalies. If you give price those same d-men I believe he puts up better numbers. I guess I have no proof of that its just my opinion. Just like you would have no proof that im wrong.
The point of my previous post wasn't to downplay what Price brings to the table as I think he's a fantastic goalie and would love to have him on my team (just not at the cost of Ebs/Hall/RNH). But to call him "worldclass" and say he's "top 4 or 5", then when I list what should be pretty close to the consensus top 5 goalies (certainly world class given their credentials) and you now tell me that MAYBE 2 of them are better, well, I'm not really sure what to say

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That's complete b.s. Thomas earned those Vezina trophies.

And you didn't mention the multiple nominations for Lou, Lundqvist, Rinne (after this year), etc.

Price is a very good young goalie, but to say there are only two better in the world is laughable. And to say he's better than Thomas is even more laughable.

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Value wise Price is the most valuable goalie in the league because of his young age his physical abilities and the ability to handle the pressure.

I Like Price but his play this year as not been the best not elite IMO but there are no other goalie under 24 that are even close to Price right now. Lundqvist is 29 that's 5 year older and Quick is 26.


The habs would not trade Price unless a elite goalie prospect, an elite center prospect and a regular top 6 nhler is coming back.

There are only two teams that could put up this kind of package.

Sens would have to offer Zibanejad Cowen lehner pick
Panthers would have to offer Huberdeau Markstrom and howden.

That's because Lehner and Markstrom are set to be excellent goalies in this league.

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Value wise Price is the most valuable in the league because of his young age his physical abilities and the ability to handle the pressure.

I Like Price but his play this year as not been the best not elite IMO but there are no other goalie under 24 that are even close to Price right now. Lundqvist is 29 that's 5 year older and Quick is 26.


The habs would not trade Price unless a elite goalie prospect, an elite center prospect and a regular top 6 nhler is coming back.

There are only two teams that could put up a decent package.

Sens would have to offer Zibanejad Cowen lehner pick
Panthers would have to offer Huberdeau Markstrom and howden.
This seems pretty darn biased to me.

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This seems pretty darn biased to me.
No it's not but hey your a flyer fan that explain it all.

Put price on the flyers and i guarantee you would be 1st in the east right now you have a better team than the rangers but they have Lundqvist.

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To think that the Flyers could have gotten Price for Hartnell+ only two years ago...
Hmmm....where did you come up with that one?

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No it's not but hey your a flyer fan that explain it all.

Put price on the flyers and i guarantee you would be 1st in the east right now you have a better team than the rangers but they have Lundqvist.
Not denying that. I'd love to have Price on this team but to say he's the most valuable in the league, that's a little far fetched to me.

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Something like Gudbranson, Huberdeau, Markstrom and a 1st. It's obviously overpayment, but its what it would take to a) get price out of mtl b) be fair enough to fee like we're not getting ripped of for a 24 year old elite tender.
When did Crosby change his name to Price?

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Not denying that. I'd love to have Price on this team but to say he's the most valuable in the league, that's a little far fetched to me.
I said Goalie he is far from the most valuable player in the league.

Only Lundqvist Quick Fleury Howard could compete against him since all the top goalie are over 30 except those 3.

Would you prefer to have price for 13 years or Rinne for 7years?


I think it's rightful to say Price has the most value but not by a mile Lundqvist Fleury and Quick are just next to him because they are older.

If you say Lundqvist has more value it's your opinion everyone can have his own opinion.

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what about packaging Price++ for Nash?

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Of all the goalies you mentioned there are MAYBE 2 I would put ahead of Price. You can compare numbers all you wish but if you compare the d-men playing in front of those goalies. If you give price those same d-men I believe he puts up better numbers. I guess I have no proof of that its just my opinion. Just like you would have no proof that im wrong.
And if you compare his number to Nabokov, Giguère, Lethonen, Theodore ?
Or are those d-men playing in front of them too good to be compare to those with a habs jersey?
Oh and by the way, all of them have a better save % than Price.

You can say Price has elite potential, but he is not elite right now.

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The fact that he is a RFA makes me walk away. From what I've seen on here Price is looking at Rinne money. I'm pretty sure you have to give up like 4 draft picks for that..if indeed he's looking at getting paid 7million plus.

Maybe the Caps could fork over Holtby, and two prospects for him? If the Caps sign Price to a long term then Montreal would receive even more assets.

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I'll guess what it would take. Who needs a goalie? Edmonton does.

From Edmonton.

Eberle, Paarjaavi, 1st round pick (could be one of the russian duo),Dubnyk
thats a little steep. that first is likely top3 and carries a lot of value.


1st, dubnyk + 1 good young prospect (eberle,hall,mps,rnh).. price is a great goalie and i would sell the farm for him, he would be the answer for the next 15+ years

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Not denying that. I'd love to have Price on this team but to say he's the most valuable in the league, that's a little far fetched to me.
Well his there another a player that just like like Price, in a way where if you take him out of the team they are just horrible ?

I dont see one. Most Valuable doesn't mean the best

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what about packaging Price++ for Nash?
why?

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Price is an untouchable in Montreal. The Canadiens do not have any goaltenders in their system that show nothing but back-up goaltending status at best. At Price's age, he still has time to improve on his already stellar game. Trading him would not only put the organization back a few steps, it would put them leaps and bounds back.

As much as a franchise player of any team coming back in a trade for Price sounds great, I would hope that Montreal's management would never make that kind of move. Hab for life, in my opinion.

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what about packaging Price++ for Nash?

You must mean Nash ++ for Price and one + is their 1st and the other plus better be a damm good player if you have any hopes of getting Price.

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