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02-18-2012, 04:22 PM
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try not to flame too hard... not sure as a leafs fan that I would want to give up all of these assets for Nash, but simply put you have to give to get..Columbus may also be able to get more in separate deals.

anyways:

to Toronto:
Rick Nash
3rd Round Pick (LA)

to Los Angeles
Jeff Carter
Mikhail Grabovski

To Columbus
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Nazem Kadri
1st Round Pick (LA)
1st Round Pick (TOR)

Toronto gets Nash, LA gets an offensive boost for the playoffs, while Columbus can continue on with 5 solid pieces for their rebuild. For it to work cap-wise, LA might also have to throw in a cap dump.

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Post on your main.

If LA is giving up the assets, we want Nash.

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02-18-2012, 04:25 PM
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Here's what I'd do:

To Toronto:
Jeff Carter

To Los Angeles:
Rick Nash

To Columbus:
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Jonathan Bernier
2012 1st (TOR)
2012 3rd (TOR)
That really makes it 2x deals with CBJ not a 3 way deal. No point bundling it together if there isn't a reason to.

Breakdown would be

Nash for JJ and JB
Carter for Scheen, 1st, 3rd

1st deal has been suggested quite a few time and been thrown around like crazy. The 2nd deal isn't anything new either... question is how high CBJ is on Scheen.

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02-18-2012, 04:56 PM
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The chances of Toronto being on Nash's list is 100%. LA has been rumoured to be on and not be on his list.
Say what now?

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Take out Kadri, seriously nobody wants this guy, and add in Dustin Brown and a 2nd and 3rd from Toronto, add Vermette to Toronot and you have a deal.

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02-18-2012, 05:02 PM
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Say what now?
You think there is any chance at all Toronto is not on the list of 5 teams Nash has listed ?

Seriously ?

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Take out Kadri, seriously nobody wants this guy, and add in Dustin Brown and a 2nd and 3rd from Toronto, add Vermette to Toronot and you have a deal.
As if the Kings weren't giving enough? As if the Leafs WERE giving enough?

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02-18-2012, 05:04 PM
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Here's what I'd do:

To Toronto:
Jeff Carter

To Los Angeles:
Rick Nash

To Columbus:
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Jonathan Bernier
2012 1st (TOR)
2012 3rd (TOR)
I like this as a Kings fan. I do think we would have to add a forward prospect with it. Add Loktionov and Sandford in the deal and it would be very close in my mind.

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02-18-2012, 05:05 PM
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You think there is any chance at all Toronto is not on the list of 5 teams Nash has listed ?

Seriously ?
Yes. I believe the only person that knows what he wants is Rick Nash. Not everyone wants to go to Toronto, everyone has priorities. That's not to say Toronto isn't on the list, but NO ONE can claim 100% that it is.

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02-18-2012, 05:08 PM
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you could technically swap Nash and Carter in this proposal... That way Toronto loses a centre for a centre and LA adds 1 winger and 1 centre
So Toronto is going to give up Schenn & a first to go from Grabovski to Carter?!?

The chances of these 3 teams working together is non-existent. Neither of them are going to value Carter enough to trade for him (think Washington, Chicago), and both teams want Rick Nash. They're not going to help the other team get him.

This also way overcomplicates things... let the Jackets decide who presents the best offer for Rick Nash and is a place he's willing to go (whether it be Los Angeles, Toronto, Philly, New York or Vancouver is a topic for another thread). Really simple as that. If they're going to trade Carter, might as well be to Washington or Chicago.

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02-18-2012, 05:09 PM
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Here's what I'd do:

To Toronto:
Jeff Carter

To Los Angeles:
Rick Nash

To Columbus:
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Jonathan Bernier
2012 1st (TOR)
2012 3rd (TOR)
I like it. But instead of a 3rd, add Lombardi.

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02-18-2012, 05:12 PM
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Yes. I believe the only person that knows what he wants is Rick Nash. Not everyone wants to go to Toronto, everyone has priorities. That's not to say Toronto isn't on the list, but NO ONE can claim 100% that it is.
Sure there is some ridiculously small chance Nash is a liar and would never want to play for his favourite team from his childhood .. I was not trying to be mathematically correct .. I was using "100%" to express my point. The chances of Toronto being on his list is about 1,000,000 times more then Philly or Edmonton.

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02-18-2012, 05:15 PM
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Here's what I'd do:

To Toronto:
Jeff Carter

To Los Angeles:
Rick Nash

To Columbus:
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Jonathan Bernier
2012 1st (TOR)
2012 3rd (TOR)
The Kings would have to add a piece, likely a prospect or pick.

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02-18-2012, 05:50 PM
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try not to flame too hard... not sure as a leafs fan that I would want to give up all of these assets for Nash, but simply put you have to give to get..Columbus may also be able to get more in separate deals.

anyways:

to Toronto:
Rick Nash
3rd Round Pick (LA)

to Los Angeles
Jeff Carter
Mikhail Grabovski

To Columbus
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Nazem Kadri
1st Round Pick (LA)
1st Round Pick (TOR)

Toronto gets Nash, LA gets an offensive boost for the playoffs, while Columbus can continue on with 5 solid pieces for their rebuild. For it to work cap-wise, LA might also have to throw in a cap dump.

thoughts?

counter offer Toronto:
Rick Nash
Jeff Carter



to Los Angeles
Clarke Macarthur
Mikhail Grabovski
2nd (2014TOR) IF grabo doesnt resign. 3rd/4th if he does

To Columbus
Luke Schenn
J. Bernier
Nazem Kadri
Penner (demp)(ufa end of season)
1st Round Pick (LA)
2nd Round pick (LA)
1st Round pick (TOR)

essentially

columbus value:
nash + carter = schenn, bernier, kadri, penner 1st(LA), 2nd(LA) 1st(TOR2014)

L.a Value:

bernier+1st+2nd(LA)+penner(dump) = grabo + macarthur + a 2nd or 3rd/4th.


Tor value:

grabo, macarthur, schenn, kadri, 2nd = carter/nash


ps. howson doesnt what JJ because "he wouldn't be happy in Columbus"


tor gives out 11.2 get 13 in cap

clb gives out 13mil gets 10.8 (with 4.25 gone in offseason)

lak gives out 5.5mil gets 5.9mil

anyone see the value? does this addresss needs???

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02-18-2012, 05:54 PM
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CBJ loses their two big assets and dont address goaltending or top 6 forwards.

would never happen.
Two mid round picks... One of them could easily be used to pick subban or vasilevski

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02-18-2012, 05:56 PM
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That really makes it 2x deals with CBJ not a 3 way deal. No point bundling it together if there isn't a reason to.

Breakdown would be

Nash for JJ and JB
Carter for Scheen, 1st, 3rd

1st deal has been suggested quite a few time and been thrown around like crazy. The 2nd deal isn't anything new either... question is how high CBJ is on Scheen.
Lol I wouldn't give up schenn a lone for carter no matter how mediocre schenn's season is

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Here's what I'd do:

To Toronto:
Jeff Carter

To Los Angeles:
Rick Nash

To Columbus:
Jack Johnson
Jonathan Bernier
Luke Schenn
Matthew Lombardi
Andrei Loktionov
2012 1st (TOR)
Updated.

So this breaks down to:

Nash

for

JJ
Bernier
Loktionov


and


Carter

for

Schenn
Lombardi
1st

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02-18-2012, 06:00 PM
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try not to flame too hard... not sure as a leafs fan that I would want to give up all of these assets for Nash, but simply put you have to give to get..Columbus may also be able to get more in separate deals.

anyways:

to Toronto:
Rick Nash
3rd Round Pick (LA)

to Los Angeles
Jeff Carter
Mikhail Grabovski

To Columbus
Jack Johnson
Luke Schenn
Nazem Kadri
1st Round Pick (LA)
1st Round Pick (TOR)

Toronto gets Nash, LA gets an offensive boost for the playoffs, while Columbus can continue on with 5 solid pieces for their rebuild. For it to work cap-wise, LA might also have to throw in a cap dump.

thoughts?
Not bad actually, Grabo can play 2nd line centre and that will allow Stoll to move to 3rd line and Carter can play wing. I think CBJ needs a better prospect fwd than Kadri and then it wouild be pretty good.

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02-18-2012, 06:02 PM
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Not bad actually, Grabo can play 2nd line centre and that will allow Stoll to move to 3rd line and Carter can play wing. I think CBJ needs a better prospect fwd than Kadri and then it wouild be pretty good.
apparently carter is totally lost on the wing and i more suited for center.


from columbus fans... or was it philly?

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None of these deals work remotely for LA. Some of the reasons are stated, some are missed.

1) We don't need that many centers...if we get either 1 or 2 centers in this deal, we'll have to deal off Stoll at the very least

Normally in a two team deal, that's not that big of a problem but since we're at/near the deadline and it's three teams, everything should balance out...otherwise why involve a third team and make it more complicated?


2) In the deals where LA gets Nash, Penner or Gagne (definitely Penner I think) will have to go the other way. Again, cap and no need for so many guys at the same position.


3) There are rumors that LA is on "his" list and also that LA is not. I think LA is on CBJs list and not on Nash's list. If we were on Nash's list, the deal would be done because LA can offer more than double (and afford it in the sense that they wouldn't destroy their NHL roster this year and still have a farm system left) any other team on the rumored list. I think we have offered more so CBJ has us on their list but Nash would have to approve. I'm thinking he hasn't approved so it's a race between the other four teams.


4) The values proposed for Nash on this thread are way too high. Same with Carter. The only way we give all of that is if we also send salary dump back to CBJ.


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Updated.

So this breaks down to:

Nash

for

JJ
Bernier
Loktionov


and


Carter

for

Schenn
Lombardi
1st
Look a lot better. Knowing Burkie he can change that 1st to a 2nd

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