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02-18-2012, 02:11 PM
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MTL 1st - CLB 1st

I am just curious how much it would take to swap for the top pick overall if MTL finished in the lottery. I think 4th-7th is a reasonable pick for them.

Would Columbus be interested in trading down if a good prospect like Bournival/Gallagher or maybe a 2nd round pick was involved?

CLB must be pretty gun shy about taking Yakupov and if they believe that a better player will still be there lower why not move down and get another young building block?

Just curious what people think it would take to move up.

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you think a 4th round pick would move you up to the 1st overall pick...?

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you think a 4th round pick would move you up to the 1st overall pick...?
That's not what he said.

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Yeah sure. Maybe we'll throw in Nash for the fun of it.

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That's not what he said.
that's even worse now that i look at it.


Not gonna happen.

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that's even worse now that i look at it.


Not gonna happen.
You think a 4th round pick is better than a 2nd round pick or Gallagher?

How is that worse?

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that's even worse now that i look at it.


Not gonna happen.
So a good prospect can't get you a pick 3 - 4 spots higher? What do you think it would take to move from say 5th to 1st?

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Considering the dropoff from the top couple guys, it'd take a lot more than that.

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So a good prospect can't get you a pick 3 - 4 spots higher? What do you think it would take to move from say 5th to 1st?
I don't think a 2nd or Gallagher will get Montreal to #1.

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So a good prospect can't get you a pick 3 - 4 spots higher? What do you think it would take to move from say 5th to 1st?
A good prospect will not move you from 5 to 1. It might move you from 30 to 25th, but there is a huge difference. It would take at least another first, and a second line player at the LEAST to get to the first overall. You don't trade the first overall when you have no idea how it'll turn out. You risk looking like an idiot

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Max Pac + Mtl 1st round
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CBJ 1st, + Vermette

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I don't think a 2nd or Gallagher will get Montreal to #1.
I find it hard to believe that it would take another 1st round pick who is playing well (ex. Beaulieu, Tinordi) to move up a few spots when after Yakupov the talent is very similar. Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Trouba, Dumba and Murray are all exceptional talents. If CLB isn't going to take Yakupov 1st overall they have no reason not to move down for a decent return. I only say they don't take him because of Filatov or maybe they don't want a winger.

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I'm a habs fan an honestly it would cost more than that.
Probably something like our 1st + our 2nd round DP + Gallagher

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MTL
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MTL 2nd 2013
1st 2012 (5-8 range)

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1st 2012

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Pacioretty
MTL 2nd 2013
1st 2012 (5-8 range)

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I'd add Geoffrion

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MTL
Pacioretty
MTL 2nd 2013
1st 2012 (5-8 range)

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Not that much...

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I find it hard to believe that it would take another 1st round pick who is playing well (ex. Beaulieu, Tinordi) to move up a few spots when after Yakupov the talent is very similar. Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Trouba, Dumba and Murray are all exceptional talents. If CLB isn't going to take Yakupov 1st overall they have no reason not to move down for a decent return. I only say they don't take him because of Filatov or maybe they don't want a winger.
Sure, if CLB wants to move down, they can get a lot more than Gallagher.

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Toronto traded a 2nd and 3rd to move up from 7th to 5th in 2008. I imagine it will take a hell of a lot more to move from 7th to 1st.

In all honesty I think Edmonton might make a better trading partner if they are picking 2nd. They already have there forwards set they might be willing to drop down and pick a defenseman at the right price.

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02-18-2012, 02:31 PM
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Not that much...
Overpayment yes but thats what it would take I think.

Maybe switch the 2nd to a 3rd rounder.

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Overpayment yes but thats what it would take I think.

Maybe switch the 2nd to a 3rd rounder.
I don't think Montreal would give up Patches when they can get a fine player at the #5-8 spot.

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I don't think Montreal would give up Patches when they can get a fine player at the #5-8 spot.
Draft is extremely top heavy. Below top 2 or 3 is weak. Best you could get is another patch.

Think of it this way. Yakupov has extremly high potential with super star status. lets take Malkin for ex. Would you trade a young, 18 year old Malkin for patch, a first and a second?

I'd jump on that trade ASAP if i were Gauthier

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Draft is extremely top heavy. Below top 2 or 3 is weak. Best you could get is another patch.

Think of it this way. Yakupov has extremly high potential with super star status. lets take Malkin for ex. Would you trade a young, 18 year old Malkin for patch, a first and a second?

I'd jump on that trade ASAP if i were Gauthier
Claiming Yakupov is already Malkin is ridiculous, like I said maybe they don't want Yakupov because of Filatov, it might seem silly but people can be jaded about these things.

I can play this game too, would you rather have Tavares or Evander Kane, Pacioretty and a 2nd?

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Draft is extremely top heavy. Below top 2 or 3 is weak. Best you could get is another patch.
From my understanding(although I haven't paid much attention) it's a rather weak draft for forwards(beyond the top 2 guys), but it's a great draft for Defensemen

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Draft is extremely top heavy. Below top 2 or 3 is weak. Best you could get is another patch.

Think of it this way. Yakupov has extremly high potential with super star status. lets take Malkin for ex. Would you trade a young, 18 year old Malkin for patch, a first and a second?

I'd jump on that trade ASAP if i were Gauthier

Umm... not true..

After the top 15 it's weak.

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Claiming Yakupov is already Malkin is ridiculous, like I said maybe they don't want Yakupov because of Filatov, it might seem silly but people can be jaded about these things.

I can play this game too, would you rather have Tavares or Evander Kane, Pacioretty and a 2nd?
I think a decent amount of people would take Tavaras actually.

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